How does charge behave in a moving object?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of charge distribution in a sphere or cylinder that is accelerating, particularly in the context of being placed in an elevator. Participants explore how acceleration affects charge density and distribution, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the charge distribution would shift due to acceleration, questioning whether the density would become a function of increasing charge density with radius.
  • Another participant challenges the clarity of the initial claim, asking for further explanation of how charge distribution changes with acceleration.
  • It is proposed that if the sphere is a conductor, the charge would reside on the outer surface, raising questions about the effects of being placed inside an uncharged object.
  • A participant introduces the idea of polarization due to acceleration and emphasizes the need to specify the cause of acceleration to understand the effects on charge distribution.
  • Concerns are raised about the theoretical nature of the discussion, with one participant suggesting that in a gravitational field, charges would not experience relative displacement.
  • Another participant speculates that in free space, a charged sphere accelerating under gravity would have radial electric field lines swept back, potentially leading to a current and a resulting potential difference across the sphere.
  • There is a suggestion to move the discussion to a homework context, emphasizing the need for a full problem description and relevant equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how charge distribution is affected by acceleration, with some proposing theoretical models while others question the assumptions made. There is no consensus on the effects of acceleration on charge distribution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specifying the conditions under which acceleration occurs and the implications of mechanical strain on charge distribution. There are also references to the need for more detailed problem descriptions and relevant equations to clarify the discussion.

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Specifically, if I had a sphere or cylinder that accelerated upward or downward, it's clear that the distribution of charge, rho, would shift. However would the density turn into some function of increasing rho as the radius increases? I assumed that the density of charge would basically turn into a blob and I'd need to integrate the non uniform surface of charge then, but I'm making a lot of assumptions I'm not confident with. Would appreciate any help!
 
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Hello Max20, :welcome:
atmost20characters said:
it's clear that the distribution of charge, rho, would shift
Could you explain that, if it is so clear ?
 
BvU said:
Hello Max20, :welcome:
Could you explain that, if it is so clear ?
The specific scenario given was a sphere with uniform charge density is placed in an elevator, so I suppose the charge distribution would change if the sphere was a conductor? so then the charge would be on the outer surface of the sphere. This is why I was unsure, I wasn't positive if the charge distribution was moved due to the movement or just by being place inside another uncharged object.
 
I imagine that there could be a certain degree of polarisation of the sphere due to the acceleration. But you would need to specify what actually happens to cause the acceleration. Contact with the floor of the elevator would be providing the accelerating force which would be distorting the sphere . You can't have any 'ideal' situations when you are looking this deep into the situation so you would have to include the disturbance of charges due to mechanical strain of the sphere.
 
So which is it ?

atmost20characters said:
sphere or cylinder that accelerated upward or downward

atmost20characters said:
by being place inside another uncharged object
I still don't see what is so clear to you ...
 
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sophiecentaur said:
But you would need to specify what actually happens to cause the acceleration.
I am bumping this question @almost20characters because you need to describe your experiment more fully before you can predict a result.
A mechanical force implies added Electric Forces. A gravitational force (uniform Field) would accelerate everything the same so no relative displacement of charges.
 
sophiecentaur said:
A gravitational force (uniform Field) would accelerate everything the same so no relative displacement of charges.
This seems ludicrously theoretical, so please shoot me down! If the sphere is charged and in free space and is allowed to accelerate by gravity, then as far as I can see the radial electric field lines will be swept back, as per the Larmor radiation mechanism. This will cause charges to be slowly dragged towards the trailing side of the sphere. In doing so they will constitute a current, and the trailing side will acquire more charges than the leading side, so a potential difference will exist across the sphere.
Energy will be radiated from the sphere, so it will accelerate less than g. The radiation will, however, be very small, because the wavelength will correspond to the duration of the fall, and the distance traveled will be very small compared to this wavelength.
When the sphere stops, charges will return to equilibrium and as they do so, more radiation will occur as the charges bounce back and forth a few times due to the resonance of the sphere.
 
Elevators don't accelerate so fast ...
 
atmost20characters said:
The specific scenario given was a sphere with uniform charge density is placed in an elevator, so I suppose the charge distribution would change if the sphere was a conductor? so then the charge would be on the outer surface of the sphere. This is why I was unsure, I wasn't positive if the charge distribution was moved due to the movement or just by being place inside another uncharged object.
Let's move this to homework and use the template there: a full problem description is very helpful.
 
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atmost20characters said:
Specifically, if I had a sphere or cylinder that accelerated upward or downward, it's clear that the distribution of charge, rho, would shift. However would the density turn into some function of increasing rho as the radius increases? I assumed that the density of charge would basically turn into a blob and I'd need to integrate the non uniform surface of charge then, but I'm making a lot of assumptions I'm not confident with. Would appreciate any help!
atmost20characters said:
The specific scenario given was a sphere with uniform charge density is placed in an elevator, so I suppose the charge distribution would change if the sphere was a conductor? so then the charge would be on the outer surface of the sphere. This is why I was unsure, I wasn't positive if the charge distribution was moved due to the movement or just by being place inside another uncharged object.
BvU said:
Let's move this to homework and use the template there: a full problem description is very helpful.
At the moment, the Mentors are unsure whether to move this to the Homework Help forums. But we are unanimous that the OP needs to show a lot more effort in this thread.

@atmost20characters -- Please show us what Relevant Equations you think would apply to this type of problem, and try putting in some numbers to see if you can calculate whether there is any appreciable charge density change with acceleration...
 

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