How Does Charge in a Capacitor Satisfy the Given Differential Equation?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving a voltage source, resistor, and capacitor in series. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating that the charge in the capacitor satisfies a specific differential equation: RQ' + Q/C = V.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Kirchhoff's voltage law to derive the relationship between voltage, charge, and current in the circuit. There are attempts to manipulate the differential equation and questions about the correct interpretation of derivatives and integrals.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different manipulations of the differential equation and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of correct derivatives and integration techniques, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the solution.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that the initial conditions and constants are correctly applied, with some participants noting the need to separate variables appropriately for integration. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct mathematical steps to take in solving the differential equation.

  • #61
Well,

p(t) = \frac{1}{RC}

q(t) = \frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t

So:

F = \int \frac{1}{RC}dt

F = \frac{t}{RC}

so:

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}x = \int e^{\frac{t}{RC}}\frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t dt + C

TFM
 
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  • #62
In the last line you want a Q instead of an x.
 
  • #63
Oops...

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \int e^{\frac{t}{RC}}\frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t dt + C

So do I integrate the right side now, with what was given in the question?

TFM
 
  • #64
TFM said:
Oops...

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \int e^{\frac{t}{RC}}\frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t dt + C

So do I integrate the right side now, with what was given in the question?

TFM

Yes.
 
  • #65
So:

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \int e^{\frac{t}{RC}}\frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t dt + C

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \frac{V_0}{R}\int e^{\frac{t}{RC}} sin\omega t dt + C

Using the replacement formula:

\int e^{t/\alpha} sin\omega t dt = \alpha e^{t/\alpha}\frac{(sin \omega t - \alpha \omega cos \omega t)}{1 + \alpha ^2\omega^2} + Constant

With \alpha = RC

Gives:

e^{t/RC}q = \frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant

TFM
 
  • #66
TFM said:
So:

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \int e^{\frac{t}{RC}}\frac{V_0}{R} sin\omega t dt + C

e^{\frac{t}{RC}}Q = \frac{V_0}{R}\int e^{\frac{t}{RC}} sin\omega t dt + C

Using the replacement formula:

\int e^{t/\alpha} sin\omega t dt = \alpha e^{t/\alpha}\frac{(sin \omega t - \alpha \omega cos \omega t)}{1 + \alpha ^2\omega^2} + Constant

With \alpha = RC

Gives:

e^{t/RC}q = \frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant

TFM

Looks good so far (except keep the parenthesis that are in the formula around the (\sin\omega t-\alpha\omega \cos\omega t)).
 
  • #67
So:

e^{t/RC}q = \frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}(sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t)}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant

So should I rearrange to get q:

q = \frac{\frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}(sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t)}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant}{e^{t/RC}}

??

TFM
 
  • #68
TFM said:
So:

e^{t/RC}q = \frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}(sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t)}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant

So should I rearrange to get q:

q = \frac{\frac{V_0}{R} \frac{RCe^{t/RC}(sin\omega t-RC\omega cos\omega t)}{1+(RC)^2\omega^2} + Constant}{e^{t/RC}}

??

TFM

Okay; now I would suggest you write the right hand side as three terms (one with a sine, one with a cosine, and one with the constant). Once you have that, you can determine the constant.
 

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