How does current flow in an antenna?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of current in a dipole antenna, particularly how it flows despite the antenna appearing to have open circuits at its ends. Participants explore concepts related to electromagnetic radiation, alternating current, and the relationship between voltage and current in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how current flows in a dipole antenna, noting the open circuit nature of the ends and questioning the return path for current.
  • Another participant explains that current oscillates back and forth in the antenna, emphasizing that it does not extend beyond the ends due to the rapid change in direction, and relates the antenna length to the wavelength of the radio frequency.
  • A third participant describes the current and voltage patterns in a resonant dipole antenna, likening the behavior to standing waves in musical instruments and noting the generation of magnetic and electrostatic fields.
  • One participant introduces the concept of displacement current, arguing that it does not require a closed path and commenting on the mutual relationship between current and magnetic fields, as well as voltage and electric fields.
  • Another participant provides an analogy involving water in a glass to illustrate the movement of voltage and current in an antenna.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement regarding the speed of electrons, clarifying that the electromagnetic field travels at the speed of light, while electrons move at a different speed in a conductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the flow of current and the nature of electromagnetic fields in antennas. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and some disagreements exist regarding the relationships between current, voltage, and fields.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of electromagnetic concepts, indicating a potential gap in knowledge between circuit theory and electromagnetic theory. The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of currents and fields that are not fully resolved.

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Let's say we have a dipole antenna that we are using to radiate a signal. The dipole antenna (think rabbit ears) has two ends that appear to me to be open circuits.

Maybe my problem is that I have too much circuit background and not enough EM, but how does current flow through these rabbit ears? There is no return path, no loop, so where does it "go"? I know that it's radiating, but I feel that I'm missing something here...


Thanks
 
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It goes back and forth in the antenna. It does not have time to go beyond the ends of the antenna because it changes direction too fast. The length of the dipole antenna is proportional to the wavelength of the radio frequency. Remember, the electrons moving in the antenna are moving at the speed of light. The higher the frequency the shorter the dipole length. You can calculate the length with 468 / frequency (in Mhz).
 
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In this diagram, you can see the current and voltage patterns in a resonant dipole antenna.

dipole voltage and current.PNG


This is RF (high frequency AC) energy. The pattern is caused when one cycle of the incoming signal reaches the end of the antenna and is reflected and gets back to the center feedpoint just as a new cycle is entering the dipole. Just like standing waves in musical instruments.

These are real voltages and currents which can be measured, but they seem pretty bizarre if you haven't seen them before.

The alternating current flow in the middle of the dipole generates a magnetic field and the alternating voltage at the ends of the dipole generate an electrostatic field. These radiate out from the dipole as a radio signal.
 
All of the above are good answers. I would only add the following 2 words - displacement current. As correctly stated above, the current moves back and forth in each conductor. The path is indeed open, but displacement current does not need a closed path.

The only issue I have with the previous post is that the current and the magnetic field are mutual. There is no evidence that the current "generates" the H field. Likewise, voltage & E field are mutual. V does not generate E. Otherwise, I agree with the above.

Claude
 
I picture the magnetic component being generated like this:

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HydroGuy said:
Let's say we have a dipole antenna that we are using to radiate a signal. The dipole antenna (think rabbit ears) has two ends that appear to me to be open circuits.

Maybe my problem is that I have too much circuit background and not enough EM, but how does current flow through these rabbit ears? There is no return path, no loop, so where does it "go"? I know that it's radiating, but I feel that I'm missing something here...


Thanks

Take a glass half full of water, then move it back and forth.
Look at how the water moves, it's more or less how voltage and current move in a antenna.
 
TurtleMeister said:
... The length of the dipole antenna is proportional to the wavelength of the radio frequency. Remember, the electrons moving in the antenna are moving at the speed of light. ...
You mean the electromagnetic field travels at the speed of light, not the electrons, which travel at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity" in a conductor.
 
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