How does flow enter a venturimeter when inserted in a potential flow?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of flow entering a venturimeter when it is inserted into a potential flow. Participants explore the principles of fluid dynamics, particularly Bernoulli's principle, and the differences between venturimeters and pitot tubes in measuring pressure and flow in fluid systems.

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  • One participant questions how flow enters a venturimeter if the pressure inside is higher than outside, referencing Bernoulli's principle.
  • Another participant explains that a venturimeter develops a low pressure area at the larger end due to the pressure gradient created by the moving fluid, suggesting a misunderstanding of the pressure dynamics involved.
  • A participant clarifies that they are referring to venturis used for measuring aircraft speed, not for creating a vacuum, indicating that these devices operate at atmospheric pressure.
  • There is a distinction made between venturi devices and pitot tubes, with one participant asserting that pitot tubes measure airspeed through ram air pressure without involving flow through a venturi mechanism.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of Bernoulli's theorem, with one participant asserting that it does not imply high pressure inside the venturi.
  • Another participant questions why fluid would flow into a pitot tube if the static pressure outside is lower than the pressure inside, indicating confusion about the pressure dynamics in these systems.
  • One participant suggests that the pressure inside the pitot tube equalizes with the ram air pressure, challenging the notion that the inside pressure is higher than the external pressure.
  • Another participant emphasizes that fluid must enter the pitot tube for the pressure inside to increase, reiterating the question of why fluid flows into an open-ended tube immersed in a moving fluid.
  • A participant describes the pressure dynamics at the leading edge of the tube, comparing it to an airfoil, and explains that a high pressure area exists at the front while a low pressure area at the back helps draw fluid into the tube.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the pressure dynamics within venturimeters and pitot tubes, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms of flow entry or the implications of Bernoulli's principle in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about pressure dynamics, the definitions of flow in relation to venturi and pitot tube functions, and the interpretation of Bernoulli's theorem in this scenario.

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When we just insert a venturimeter in a potential flow, the pressure inside the venturimeter is higher than outside(since from Bernoulli's principle pressure decreases when velocity increases) , then how does the flow enter the tube?
 
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Venturi, such as used to create a vacuum for aircraft instruments,develop a low pressure area at the larger area trailing edge of the tapered "funnel" and a higher pressure on the input from the ram pressure of the moving fluid. That produces a pressure gradient from one end of the tube to the other end and is responsible for the flow through the venturi. Not sure why you would think that a vacuum developing device would have a higher pressure "inside."

Did I understand your question correctly?
 
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I am speaking of venturis used to measure the aircraft's speed not create vacuum for the instruments, these don't have vacuum in them , they are at atmospheric pressure.
 
Aircraft speed, through the air, is measured by a pitot tube. It is simply a tube with an opening at the end facing into the "relative wind." Completely different from any kind of venturi device that I know off. The tube supplies a varying pressure to an airspeed indicator gauge. No "flow" involved except for whatever is required in the tube as the airspeed/pressure varies. Just ram air pressure, no flow, no venturi, no vacuum.

A venturi, when placed in a fluid flow will have a higher pressure area in front of it and a lower pressure are behind it, just as any object impeding the flow of a fluid will have. In the smaller middle area there will be a LOW pressure area relative to the outside "normal."

I Don't understand why you think that Bernoulli's theorem means a high pressure area inside a venturi?
 
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Bernoulli's theorem doesnot mean high pressure inside the venturi, indeed suppose a venturimeter is just placed in a flow, then the pressue inside will be 1 atm, but it will be more than or equal to the outside pressure , so why does the flow enter the tube?? Why will there be a low pressure inside the venturi if we are considering static pressures to determine wether a flow will occur due to pressure difference or not ?
 
even for a pitot tube ,why does the flow enter the tube if the outside static pressure is lower than the inside pressure which is 1 atm?
 
What makes you think that the inside pressure on a pitot tube is higher than the ram air pressure at the tip exposed to the high speed airflow past the aircraft? Since pitot tubes don't work by flow, the pressure is equal throughout the system; lower inside to start, equalizing to the same at a constant airspeed.

Back to the original: are you questioning as to why or how air will flow through any open ended tube when initially immersed in a moving liquid? Maybe I still don't understand your question.
 
The fluid flowing must first enter the pitot tube, otherwise how will the pressure inside increase. And yes I am questioning why will fliud flow in an open ended tube when initially immersed in a moving fluid
 
Initially you will see a high pressure area on the leading edge of the tube. You see exactly the same affect on the leading edge of an airfoil. The air flows on either side and there is a static high pressure area at the very front. This pressure area will continue even with the air flowing through the tube. At the other end of the tube you will have a low pressure area that is trying to suck the air out of the tube. The fact that there is a restriction in the middle (smaller diameter) doesn't change this.

That is the best I can do in the way of an explanation.
 
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