How Does Mixing Affect Entropy Calculations in Chemical Reactions?

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The discussion centers on the impact of mixing on entropy calculations in chemical reactions, specifically addressing the reaction N2 + 3 H2 --> 2 NH3. Participants argue that using standard molar entropies does not accurately reflect the entropy change due to the mixing effect of reactants. However, it is established that the standard entropy change and standard free energy change are derived from a van't Hoff equilibrium box, which inherently accounts for the entropy of mixing. Thus, the initial assumption that standard molar entropies yield an inflated entropy change is incorrect.

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I know this is more of a chemistry question but it's come to this I'm afraid.
When calculating entropy changes in chemical reactions sometimes we students of chemistry use standard molar entropies of the reactants and products. But this surely doesn't account for the mixing effect. e.g.
N2 + 3 H2 --> 2 NH3
calculating the entropy change reaction for this using standard molar entropies would surely yield an entropy change too large because the reactants would in fact start off mixed, thus at a higher entropy than just the N2 and 3 H2 together.
 
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tomothy said:
I know this is more of a chemistry question but it's come to this I'm afraid.
When calculating entropy changes in chemical reactions sometimes we students of chemistry use standard molar entropies of the reactants and products. But this surely doesn't account for the mixing effect. e.g.
N2 + 3 H2 --> 2 NH3
calculating the entropy change reaction for this using standard molar entropies would surely yield an entropy change too large because the reactants would in fact start off mixed, thus at a higher entropy than just the N2 and 3 H2 together.
This is not true. The standard entropy change and the standard free energy change are based on the use of a van't Hopf equilibrium box, which inherently includes entropy of mixing.
 

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