How Does Motion Affect Mass and Electric Fields in Different Inertial Frames?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of motion on mass and electric fields as observed from different inertial frames. It explores concepts related to length contraction, mass variation, and the behavior of electric fields associated with moving charges, touching on theoretical implications and interpretations in the context of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an object's length contracts in the direction of motion and that its mass increases when in motion.
  • One participant clarifies that the increase in mass is not straightforward, suggesting it is more about energy increasing inertia rather than a true mass increase.
  • There are claims that the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields of a moving electron are more complex than initially stated.
  • Another participant emphasizes that E and B fields are not true vectors and that their representations in terms of vector potential transform correctly under special relativity.
  • A participant proposes a potential connection between the mass increase of an object and the field increase of an electron, referencing published papers discussing the effects of nearby charges on the system's weight in an accelerated frame.
  • One participant agrees with the length contraction claim but questions the ambiguity of mass increase, distinguishing between invariant mass and relativistic mass.
  • There is contention regarding the assertion that the strength of an electron's field is reduced in the direction of motion, with one participant arguing that the parallel component of the E-field remains unchanged for observers moving relative to each other.
  • The increase of the electric field orthogonally to the direction of motion is affirmed by some participants, referencing external resources for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass increase and the behavior of electric fields in motion. There is no consensus on the correctness of the claims regarding the strength of the electron's field in relation to motion, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight ambiguities in the definitions of mass and the complexities of electric field transformations, suggesting that assumptions about these concepts may vary among different observers.

Emanresu
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I believe the following are all true for an observer in a different inertial frame :

An object's length is contracted in the direction of its motion
An object's mass increases under motion
The strength of an electron's field is reduced in the direction of motion
The strength of an electron's field is increased orthogonally to the direction of motion

Have I got this right ? If so, is there a connection between the mass increase of an object and the field increase of an electron ?

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it isn't exactly mass increase.It is just energy that increases inertia
 
Also the E and B fields of a moving electron are more complicated.
 
Indeed, the important thing to remember about electromagnetism is that E and B are not true vectors. Their representations in terms of vector potential, A, are true however, and transform correctly under special relativity.
 
Emanresu said:
is there a connection between the mass increase of an object and the field increase of an electron ?
Quite likely. There's a few published papers around discussing how when two (or more) charges are held nearby one another (changing the total energy of the system), you can even uncover the mechanism by which the weight of the system changes (basically, in an accelerated frame, each electron's asymetric field results in an unbalanced inertia-like force).
 
Emanresu said:
I believe the following are all true for an observer in a different inertial frame :

An object's length is contracted in the direction of its motion
Yes.
An object's mass increases under motion
This is ambiguous as stated. Invariant mass does not change with motion. Relativistic mass does change with motion. See the usual FAQ's.
The strength of an electron's field is reduced in the direction of motion
Most likely wrong. If you have two observers at the same point in space-time that are moving relative to each other, the parallel component of the E-field will not change. You may be thinking of a different scenario. See for instance http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~rfield/PHY2061/images/relativity_13.pdf

The strength of an electron's field is increased orthogonally to the direction of motion

Yes, as per the above link, with the same scenario (two obsevers in relative motion at the same point measure how the E-field transforms).
 
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