How Does Physics Connect Diverse Scientific Fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interconnectedness of various branches of physics and how this interconnectedness manifests in both theoretical and applied contexts. Participants explore the implications of this synergy, particularly in relation to Bose–Einstein condensates (BECs) and the visibility of physics in different professional fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes that understanding quantum mechanics requires knowledge of classical mechanics and electromagnetism, highlighting the deep entanglement of various physics fields.
  • The example of Bose–Einstein condensates is presented as a case where multiple fields converge, suggesting that the emergence of new fields depends on interdisciplinary collaboration.
  • Another participant reflects on their previous belief that high-energy physics (HEP) was the only "real" physics, expressing a change in perspective after engaging with condensed matter physics and BECs.
  • Concerns are raised about the invisibility of physics in various applications, where physicists work in roles that may not be recognized as physics-related, such as engineering and product development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of interdisciplinary connections in physics, particularly in the context of BECs. However, there is no consensus on the visibility of physics in professional roles, as experiences and perceptions vary among participants.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential for differing definitions of what constitutes "real" physics and the subjective nature of visibility in various fields. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, engineering, and related fields, particularly those exploring interdisciplinary applications of physics.

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I will make this very clear: http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-59/iss-12/p51.html"

In fact, I strongly recommend you print this out, and give it to people who are not aware of physics, what it does, how it works, and how it permeates through their lives.

This article emphasized so many of the points that I have been trying to get across to many people (and even to crackpots).

1. It illustrates the interconnectedness of various branches of physics. You just simply cannot study quantum mechanics alone without understanding classical mechanics and E&M. In many physical phenomena, it crosses many boundaries of the field of study, such as the one mentioned in the article:

Consider the case of Bose–Einstein condensates (figure 2), existing at the intersection of atomic, condensed matter, and statistical physics, belonging to all those fields and to none of them alone. In addition, BECs could not have been produced, let alone studied, without the tools of optical physics, without manipulating electric and magnetic fields, without understanding gas and fluid dynamics, or without innovations in low-temperature physics. The experts will no doubt tell me what else I failed to mention. The point is that BEC research depends critically on the synergistic entanglement of all these sometimes separate fields of study. Take the contributions of one away and the program to make BECs collapses. It's more than interdisciplinary physics coming together to solve a problem. It's a deep entanglement of fields that gives rise to something qualitatively different, the emergence of an entirely new field.

2. Many people who are physicists, work in areas and are given titles in which the physics and their physics background are obscure. This leads to people not being aware that physics is at work, and physicists are the ones doing the work.

On one side of me at dinner sat a fellow whose job is to optimize the use of equipment and machinery for the manufacture of polymer-based diapers; he works to achieve high throughput without tearing, melting, or otherwise damaging the product, while minimizing waste. His employer is a large corporation well known to American householders; his background is physics. Sitting on my other side was the director of research and development for a company in upstate New York that makes electromagnetic sensors of all kinds. One of his favorites measures the dielectric properties of asphalt to determine when it is optimally compressed to make the best possible road surface. His background, too, is physics.

Curiously, the two physicists see themselves as engineers. The software company sees everyone as engineers. Its product incorporates sophisticated algorithms to solve a dizzying variety of physics-related partial differential equations and even has "physics" in its name. Yet the physics and the physicists with whom the software company deals are so thoroughly entangled, both with the set of problems to be solved and with the companies and other entities working on solutions, that they have become invisible. The pervasiveness of physics, indeed its very existence, is not always apparent even to those who work with it every day.

There are many gems in this article. If you do not get Physics Today, then READ THIS ARTICLE!

Zz.
 
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Excellent article, thanks Zz. I just started working w/ a condensed matter theorist and one of his major research areas is BECs. These last few weeks I have learned just how rich this field is. Unfortunately, when I was a freshman (I'm a junior now) I subscribed to the Gell-Mann school that HEP was "real" physics and everything else was substandard. How wrong I was! I'm glad I've come to my senses, due in a large part to the informative posts of ZapperZ and others here at PF.
 
Thanks for that, Zz!
 
unit_circle said:
Excellent article, thanks Zz. I just started working w/ a condensed matter theorist and one of his major research areas is BECs. These last few weeks I have learned just how rich this field is. Unfortunately, when I was a freshman (I'm a junior now) I subscribed to the Gell-Mann school that HEP was "real" physics and everything else was substandard. How wrong I was! I'm glad I've come to my senses, due in a large part to the informative posts of ZapperZ and others here at PF.

I saved a soul! You just made my day!

:biggrin:

Zz.
 

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