How Does Retarded Potential Affect Energy in Moving Charges?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of retarded potentials on the energy dynamics of moving charges, specifically in the context of two identical positive charges approaching each other. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on electric fields and forces, referencing concepts from electromagnetic theory.

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  • One participant describes a scenario with two positive charges moving toward each other and questions how their relative motion affects the Coulomb repulsion and potential energy, suggesting that the repulsive force is diminished due to retarded potentials.
  • Another participant challenges this understanding by referencing the Liénard–Wiechert potentials, which provide the correct relativistic electric potential for moving charges.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies the electric field derived from the Liénard–Wiechert potentials and notes that the field is reduced in the direction of motion, leading to further questions about the implications for energy transfer between the charges.
  • One participant reflects on the Lorentz force and its relativistic formulation, acknowledging that while the repulsive force is reduced, the relationship between electric field and force remains proportional.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of retarded potentials and the behavior of electric fields in moving charges. There is no consensus on how the energy dynamics operate under these conditions, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relativistic effects on electric fields and forces, noting the dependence on definitions and the need for further exploration of the implications of these effects on energy transfer.

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Hi All,

I've been reading Griffiths E&M and Feynman Lectures (vol 2, E&M), and it made me think about a gedanken that I'm trying to resolve. I'm pretty sure once I really peruse the chapters on the relativistic formulation it'll make sense, but I'm impatient :biggrin:

I have two identical positive charges, q_0 and q_1, on the x-axis.

q_a is at -ax, traveling toward the origin at v_0.

q_b is at +bx, traveling toward the origin at -v_0.

Since they are both positive charges, they will repulse each other due to the Coulomb field. But, from what I understand, the repulsive force is less than what they would experience in a static case, since at each moment in time it is the retarded (further away) position of the particles that influence each other. (I think the field in the x-axis is reduced by a factor of \gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^{2}_{0}/c^2}})

This is what I don't understand: The faster the charges zoom toward each other, the less work they impart into the field potential energy (since it is reduced in the x-direction). If they return to their previous positions at a slower velocity, the return trip will result in them having more kinetic energy than they started with?
 
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That's not how it works. Look up Liénard–Wiechert potential which gives the relativistically correct electric potential produced by a moving charge
 
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Griffiths derives the \mathbf{E} field of a point charge moving with constant velocity from the Liénard–Wiechert potentials in chapter 10.3:

<br /> \mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r},t) = \frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{1-v^{2}/c^{2}}{\left(1-v^{2}\sin^{2}{\theta/c^{2}}\right)}\frac{\hat{\mathbf{R}}}{R^{2}}<br />

\mathbf{R} \equiv \mathbf{r} - \mathbf{v}t

\theta is the angle between \mathbf{R} and \mathbf{v}

He then says:

Because of the \sin^{2}{\theta} in the denominator, the field of a fast-moving charge is flattened out like a pancake in the direction perpendicular to the motion. In the forward and backward directions \mathbf{E} is reduced by a factor (1-v^{2}/c^{2}) relative to the field of a charge at rest...

I was wrong about the reduction factor, but it is still present. So I'm still curious: if the repulsive electric fields of two positive charges zooming toward each other is mutually reduced, where does the energy go/come from?
 
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Ok, I think I have a piece of the puzzle. I was not considering the Lorentz force on each particle relativistically. The relativistic Lorentz force is actually:

<br /> \mathbf{F} = \gamma q(\mathbf{E} \mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B})<br />

Where \gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

But, since \mathbf{E} and \mathbf{F} are directly proportional, it still means that the repulsive force on each particle is still reduced by a factor of\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}...
 

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