How Does the Direction of Normal Contact Force Affect Shelf Stability?

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The discussion revolves around the stability of a shelf in equilibrium, particularly focusing on the direction of the normal contact force between the shelf and the wall. Participants explore the implications of various force diagrams and the relationships between forces acting on the shelf.

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  • Participants analyze free body diagrams (FBD) to determine the correct direction of forces and question the assumptions regarding the normal contact force. Some explore the effects of replacing parts of the shelf with different materials, while others discuss the implications of torque and equilibrium conditions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a focus on ruling out certain options based on torque considerations and the nature of the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the final interpretation of the problem.

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Participants are considering various configurations and the implications of force interactions, including the need for a supporting strut and the balance of forces in the system. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the forces rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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Figure below shows a light shelf supported by strut. The force by the strut is F, the force by the wall is R, and force by the books is W. Which diagram is correct?
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Newton's Law
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Judging from FBD of the shelf, the answer will be either (B) or (D) because there should be horizontal force to the left to balance the horizontal force to the right by F, and by considering the torque, I think the answer will be (B)

But I am confused about the direction of the normal contact force between the shelf and wall. If the direction of R is like in (B), then the direction of the normal contact force will be to the left. This means that the wall exerts force on the shelf to the left, not to the right? I thought the force by the wall on the shelf will always be to the right.

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If you could replace the portion of the shelf that is located between the wall and its point of intersection with the strut with a spring, what do you believe it will happen?
The only horizontal component of force F points to the right and nothing in force W is doing anything to keep the static balance of forces; therefore the horizontal component of force R must do that.
 
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Thank you very much Lnewqban
 
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In equilibrium, the net force is zero. That means the force polygon can be drawn with the forces in a nose to tail loop, as in B and C. A and D cannot be be so rearranged.
I'd say the harder part is ruling out C.
 
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haruspex said:
In equilibrium, the net force is zero. That means the force polygon can be drawn with the forces in a nose to tail loop, as in B and C. A and D cannot be be so rearranged.
I'd say the harder part is ruling out C.
Is it correct to rule out C by using torque (since in option C, R does pass the common point of W and F)?

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songoku said:
Is it correct to rule out C by using torque...
Just at a glance, we should be able to see that the magnitude of force F must be much greater than force W.
There are four reasons for that to be the case in this problem:

1) This configuration corresponds to a type 3 lever, for which the effort (vertical component of force F in this case) is always greater than the load.

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2) The connection of the shelf to the wall is unable to offer a resistive moment, and hence, the need for the supporting strut. Therefore, it can be considered a simple pivot.

3) The magnitude of force F must be greater than the vertical component of force F, due to the angle of the strut respect to vertical (both would be equal for the case of a vertical leg to the ground or a string supported from the ceiling).

4) In order to keep the balance of forces in the whole system, Rx must be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to Fx, Ry must be equal in magnitude to Fy-W and pointing downwards. As a result, vector R should be pointing diagonally left and down, like in option B.

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If three forces balance, they must intersect at a common point. Otherwise each has an unbalanced torque about the point of intersection of the other two.

By considering torque balance on the angled strut, F must act directly along the strut.
Hence the three forces intersect at a point above the shelf.

If the weight were to the left of where the strut and shelf meet, the intersection point would be below the shelf and C would be correct.
 
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I am really sorry for late reply.

Thank you very much for the help and explanation Lnewqban and haruspex
 
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