How Does the Index in This Vector Calculus Identity Work?

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The discussion revolves around a vector calculus identity involving the divergence of a vector field and the application of index notation. Participants are examining the expression [∇ (∇.A)]_i and questioning the use of the index 'j' in the context of summation and differentiation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are exploring the meaning of the indices in the identity and the implications of Einstein summation convention. There is confusion regarding why 'j' is used as a dummy index while discussing the summation over 'i'.

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Some participants have provided explanations regarding the nature of dummy indices and the summation process. However, there remains uncertainty about the relationship between the indices and how they are applied in the context of the identity.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and conventions of index notation in vector calculus, particularly in relation to the divergence operation and the treatment of repeated indices.

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I'm a bit confused as to the following vector calculus identity:

[∇ (∇.A)]_i = (δ/δx_i )( δA_j/δx_j)

Shouldn’t it be = (δ/δx_i )( δA_i/δx_i) why is it ‘j’ if we are taking it over ‘i’ ?



Thanks.
 
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j is a "dummy" index, i.e. it is summed over. You could name it whatever you want. Remember that ∇.A is a scalar so it can't have any indices.

[tex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf A = \partial_1 A_1 + \partial_2 A_2 + \partial_3 A_3 = \sum_{j=1}^3 \partial_j A_j \equiv \partial_j A_j[/tex]
 
phsopher said:
j is a "dummy" index, i.e. it is summed over. You could name it whatever you want. Remember that ∇.A is a scalar so it can't have any indices.

[tex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf A = \partial_1 A_1 + \partial_2 A_2 + \partial_3 A_3 = \sum_{j=1}^3 \partial_j A_j \equiv \partial_j A_j[/tex]

Ok. But why are we summing over 'j'? This is where I am getting confused. Shouldn't it be 'i'
 
hhhmortal said:
Ok. But why are we summing over 'j'? This is where I am getting confused. Shouldn't it be 'i'

Because j is the repeated index (it appears as an upper and lower index simultaneously) and due to Einstein summation convention, the repeated index must be summed over all possible values for that index.

AB
 
Altabeh said:
Because j is the repeated index (it appears as an upper and lower index simultaneously) and due to Einstein summation convention, the repeated index must be summed over all possible values for that index.

AB

Ok I'm missing something out here. I'm summing over 'i' and 'i' appears as the repeated index..how does 'j' come into this. I can't see how it appears as a lower and upper index simultaneously.
 
Let's start from the beginning. First consider ∇.A. This is

[itex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf A = \partial_1 A_1 + \partial_2 A_2 + \partial_3 A_3 = \sum_{j=1}^3 \partial_j A_j[/itex]

Do you agree so far? The j is just a summation index, i.e. it is not a fixed number but rather it gets all values from 1 to 3. We could have used any other letter instead of j, it doesn't matter. It's just a label.

If we use the Einstein's summation convention that means we drop the summation sign and agree that whenever an index appears twice it is summed over. Thus we write [itex]\nabla \cdot \mathbf A = \partial_j A_j[/itex]

Now consider ∇(∇.A). This is a vector and we decide to only consider one component - the i'th component. Now i is a fixed index - it is not summed over. i.e. it refers to a particular component we are considering. So using our earlier expression for ∇.A we write [itex][\nabla(\nabla \cdot \mathbf A)]_i = \partial_i (\partial_j A_j)[/itex]

Does that make it more clear?
 

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