How does this statics design FBD look?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a Free Body Diagram (FBD) related to a concrete chute used in construction. Participants are exploring how to determine the force capacity of a hydraulic cylinder supporting the chute, considering the weights of the chute segments and the cement it carries. The conversation includes aspects of statics, weight distribution, and the application of forces in the context of the FBD.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the FBD and the force arrows at points D and H, questioning how to calculate the critical weight on the jack without using distributed weight.
  • Another participant asks why the distributed weight is being avoided and points out that the hydraulic cylinder must support both the weight of the chute and the cement.
  • A participant suggests that the weight of the chute and cement is not located at the end and explains how to use distributed weight by replacing it with the total weight acting at the center of gravity.
  • There is a discussion about calculating the weight distribution of the chute and cement, with an example provided for determining the center of gravity and weight per unit length.
  • A later reply confirms the approach of finding the weight at the center of gravity and using it to take moments about point H.
  • Another participant questions if the capacity of the jack is simply the weight of the chute with cement in the direction of the hydraulic cylinder.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculate the forces involved, with some advocating for the use of distributed weight while others express uncertainty about this method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal way to analyze the FBD and determine the hydraulic cylinder's force capacity.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider the weight of the chute and the cement, as well as the location of the center of gravity, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the application of distributed weight and the specific calculations involved.

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I have a FBD I'm not quite sure about. I attached what i have along with the original picture. 2 pin supports plus the other one on the hydraulic jack. How does it look? Here's my problem:

The chute of a concrete truck for delivering wet concrete to a construction site is shown. The length of the chute may be changed by adding or removing segments BC and CD. Chute segments AB, BC and CD each weigh 50 lb, and the maximum length of the chute is 144 inches. The chute has semicircular shape with 8 inch inside radius, and the hydraulic cylinder GF is used to raise and lower the chute such that. I have to specify the force capacity of the hydraulic cylinder GH.

I have to use the max weight on the chute to figure critical weight on the jack. How do I do this without using distributed weight for the chute? I'm not sure of my force arrows at D and H.
 

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jklops686 said:
I have to use the max weight on the chute to figure critical weight on the jack. How do I do this without using distributed weight for the chute? I'm not sure of my force arrows at D and H.

Why don't you want to use the distributed weight of the chute? BTW, doesn't the cylinder have to support both the weight of the chute and any cement carried by the chute?
 
SteamKing said:
Why don't you want to use the distributed weight of the chute? BTW, doesn't the cylinder have to support both the weight of the chute and any cement carried by the chute?

Right, so first i have to figure the weight of the chute full of wet cement. And I haven't learned how to use distributed weight so I figured there must be a way to solve it a different way.
 
Well, the weight of the chute and the cement contained within won't be located at the end.

Using distributed weight is not that hard. The trick is to replace the weight distribution with the total weight acting at the center of gravity of the distribution. For a constant weight distribution, like you have here, the center of gravity will be in the center of the distribution. For example, each section of chute weighs 50 lbs. and is 48 in. long. The distributed weight for one section of the chute alone is 50/48 = 1.042 lb/in, and the center of gravity is 25 in. from one end.

The weight distribution of the cement can be figured in a similar manner by calculating the volume of the chute and using the density of cement.
 
SteamKing said:
Well, the weight of the chute and the cement contained within won't be located at the end.

Using distributed weight is not that hard. The trick is to replace the weight distribution with the total weight acting at the center of gravity of the distribution. For a constant weight distribution, like you have here, the center of gravity will be in the center of the distribution. For example, each section of chute weighs 50 lbs. and is 48 in. long. The distributed weight for one section of the chute alone is 50/48 = 1.042 lb/in, and the center of gravity is 25 in. from one end.

The weight distribution of the cement can be figured in a similar manner by calculating the volume of the chute and using the density of cement.

Okay great, thank you, so I just find the weight at the center of gravity of the chute with cement and then use that to take a moment about H?
 
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is the capacity of the jack just the weight of the chute with cement in the HG direction?
 

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