How Does Torque Affect Angular Acceleration in Rotational Motion?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of angular acceleration for a uniform cylinder subjected to multiple forces. Participants are exploring the relationship between torque and angular acceleration in the context of rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate torque using the formula Torque = Force * Radius and are discussing the significance of angles in these calculations. Questions arise regarding the correctness of individual torque calculations and the interpretation of the radius values provided.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the importance of angles in torque calculations, while others are questioning the accuracy of specific torque values. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and assumptions related to the problem setup.

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Participants note the absence of a visual diagram, which may affect their understanding of the problem. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in torque calculations due to factors such as the angle of force application.

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A uniform 2.9-kg cylinder can rotate about an axis through its center at O. The forces applied are: F1 = 2.4 N, F2 = 3.9 N, F3 = 6.1 N, and F4 = 4.6 N. Also, R1 = 11.2 cm and R3 = 4.0 cm. Find the magnitude and direction (+: counterclockwise; -: clockwise) of the angular acceleration of the cylinder. (see attachment)

I'm having a hard time with this one. I know that:
Torque (net) = Inertia * Angular Acceleration
and
Torque = Force * Radius

I've got:
T(F1)=0.2688 Nm
T(F2)=-0.4368 Nm
T(F3)=-0.0244 Nm
T(F4)=0 Nm

Tnet=-0.1924 Intertia=0.0181888
and the angular accerleration= -10.58 rad/s^2 (INCORRECT)

What am I doing wrong?
 

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Swagger said:
A uniform 2.9-kg cylinder can rotate about an axis through its center at O. The forces applied are: F1 = 2.4 N, F2 = 3.9 N, F3 = 6.1 N, and F4 = 4.6 N. Also, R1 = 11.2 cm and R3 = 4.0 cm. Find the magnitude and direction (+: counterclockwise; -: clockwise) of the angular acceleration of the cylinder. (see attachment)

I'm having a hard time with this one. I know that:
Torque (net) = Inertia * Angular Acceleration
and
Torque = Force * Radius

I've got:
T(F1)=0.2688 Nm
T(F2)=-0.4368 Nm
T(F3)=-0.0244 Nm
T(F4)=0 Nm

Tnet=-0.1924 Intertia=0.0181888
and the angular accerleration= -10.58 rad/s^2 (INCORRECT)

What am I doing wrong?


I can't see the figure yet so I can't tell. But the torque is F times r times sin theta. That may (or may not, depending on what direction the forces are acting) explain a discrepancy.

Pat
 
Swagger said:
A uniform 2.9-kg cylinder can rotate about an axis through its center at O. The forces applied are: F1 = 2.4 N, F2 = 3.9 N, F3 = 6.1 N, and F4 = 4.6 N. Also, R1 = 11.2 cm and R3 = 4.0 cm. Find the magnitude and direction (+: counterclockwise; -: clockwise) of the angular acceleration of the cylinder. (see attachment)
The diagram seems to show a single radius. What are R1 and R2? What's the radius of the cylinder?


I'm having a hard time with this one. I know that:
Torque (net) = Inertia * Angular Acceleration
OK.
and
Torque = Force * Radius
Don't forget the angle that the force is applied.

Torque = Force * Radius * sin(angle)
 
Doc Al said:
Don't forget the angle that the force is applied.

Torque = Force * Radius * sin(angle)

All angles a 90deg, that would just be multiplying by 1, right? Also, is my F3 torque correct? I did .004 * 6.1
 
nrqed said:
I can't see the figure yet so I can't tell. But the torque is F times r times sin theta. That may (or may not, depending on what direction the forces are acting) explain a discrepancy.

Pat

Your T(F3) is off by a factor of 10. That will probably do it.
 
Swagger said:
All angles a 90deg, that would just be multiplying by 1, right?
Perhaps you are defining things differently, but only F1 and F2 are applied at 90 degrees to the radial line through the point of application.
 
nrqed said:
Your T(F3) is off by a factor of 10. That will probably do it.


UGH! That was it...I got it. Thanks!
 
Doc Al said:
The diagram seems to show a single radius. What are R1 and R2? What's the radius of the cylinder?



OK.

Don't forget the angle that the force is applied.

Torque = Force * Radius * sin(angle)

O k Doc I am just having trouble get my (T1), T(2)..., my numbers are off, so what is the formula for that?
 
consemiu21 said:
O k Doc I am just having trouble get my (T1), T(2)..., my numbers are off, so what is the formula for that?
Formula for what? You just quoted the formula for finding the torque.

Show what you did.
 

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