How exactly does a gyroscope relate to angular momentum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between gyroscopes and angular momentum, particularly focusing on gyroscopic precession and how it relates to the conservation of angular momentum. Participants explore the mechanics of gyroscopic motion, torque, and the conditions under which angular momentum is conserved or changed.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about connecting the conservation of angular momentum to gyroscopic precession in their report.
  • Another participant points out that precession occurs due to torque acting on the gyroscope, which changes angular momentum.
  • A different participant clarifies that angular momentum is conserved only when there is no torque, emphasizing that during gyroscopic precession, angular momentum is not conserved due to the continuous application of torque.
  • One participant references a demonstration involving a turntable to illustrate conservation of angular momentum, but notes that this scenario differs from gyroscopic precession.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding the mechanics of gyroscopic precession requires awareness of how spinning objects respond to applied torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of angular momentum in relation to gyroscopic precession. While some clarify that angular momentum changes due to torque, others highlight the importance of understanding the overall system's conservation in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to connect these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific conditions under which angular momentum is conserved or not, indicating that the discussion may depend on definitions and the specific setups being considered (e.g., gimbal mounting versus turntable demonstrations).

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Wikipedia says that a gyroscope is based on the conservation of angular momentum. This whole day I'v been doing my report on gyroscopes and explaining their precession. But how do I connect the conservation of angular momentum to this? I don't know where to start.

I have seen videos demonstrating the conservation of angular momentum as people stand on turn tables with a spinning wheel, and as they turn the wheel, the wheel is resisting its change in orientation of its axle and will cause you to turn in the opposite direction to conserve angular momentum.

But how do I put this in terms of the gyroscope? Like, when the gyroscope is precessing, is it experiencing angular momentum?
 
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How were you "explaining" precession without referring to angular momentum?

The precession happens because there is a torque on the body (from gravity, draw it). And a torque produces a change in angular momentum (similar to F=dp/dt but for rotation). It works using the right hand rule if you use classical coordinates.
 
omgwtfitsp said:
Wikipedia says that a gyroscope is based on the conservation of angular momentum. This whole day I'v been doing my report on gyroscopes and explaining their precession. But how do I connect the conservation of angular momentum to this?


You are asking specifically about gyroscopic precession. As all sources mention, to have a state of gyroscopic precession the gyroscope wheel must be subject to a torque.

There is only one case where the angular momentum of the gyroscope wheel is conserved: when there is no torque. To avoid a torque on the gyroscope wheel you set up a gimbal mounting. The gimbal mounted gyroscope maintains the same orientation in space.

The angular momentum of a gyroscope in gyroscopic precession is not conserved. The angular momentum is changing all the time, due to the torque that is exerted.



To understand the mechanics of gyroscopic precession you need to be aware of how spinning objects respond to a torque that is applied on them.
That is, gyroscopic precession is all about change of angular momentum of the gyroscope wheel, rather than about conservation of angular momentum.

Let me refer you to an earlier discussion (by me) on physicsforums:
A post from november 2010 about https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2992527&postcount=3". Illustrated with images. Just a qualitative discussion.

More detailed discussion (including math) is in the http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/gyroscope_physics.php" article on my website.
 
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omgwtfitsp said:
I have seen videos demonstrating the conservation of angular momentum as people stand on turn tables with a spinning wheel, and as they turn the wheel, the wheel is resisting its change in orientation of its axle and will cause you to turn in the opposite direction to conserve angular momentum.

In the demonstration you refer to there is conservation of angular momentum of the setup as a whole: the turntable, the person on that turntable, the spinning wheel in the demonstrator's hands.

A turntable setup like that is not the same case as gyroscopic precession. The turntable demonstrations do not offer clues to help understanding what is going on in the case of gyroscopic precession.
 

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