How far will two people travel in a race?

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In the race between John and Fred, John receives a 20-second head start while running at 12 km/hr, and Fred runs faster at 16 km/hr. After calculating, it is determined that Fred catches John after 80 seconds, with a total distance of 266.7 meters from the start. The discussion highlights the use of basic algebra to solve the problem, although kinematic equations could also be applied. It is noted that since there is no acceleration, the kinematic equations simplify to the relationship between velocity, distance, and time. The solution confirms the correctness of the calculated values and the approach taken.
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Homework Statement


John and Fred are racing. Fred, being faster, gives john a 20 s head start. John runs at 12 km/hr (10/3 m per second) and Fred at 16 km/hr (40/9 m per second)

How long after John starts will Fred catch him?

How far from the start do the two meet?

Homework Equations


d = 1/2 (Vf + Vi) t

The Attempt at a Solution


my list of givens:
-Vi (10/3 for John, and 40/9 for Fred)
-Vf = 0 (for both)
d for Fred = d for John (displacements are equal)

what I do not know:
-time taken
-displacement

I know that I could use kinematic equations, but I don't really know which ones to use (except for the one I wrote here) so I tried to take a very basic algebra approach to it. I figured out how far John traveled in the 20 second head start that he got (200/3 m) and then I set it up in a "solve for x" style. so:
10/3 x +200/3 = 40/9 x, and then I got that x (time) equals 60 seconds, and then added 20 seconds (john's head start) to get that the time at which their displacements are equal is 80 s. I then plugged it back into the original equation and figured out that the distance traveled was 266.7 m until Fred caught John.
So first off, are those values correct? and secondly, how do I do that exact problem, but instead using kinematic equations?
 
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I don't think Vf=0 here but it looks like you didn't use the equation anyway.

Otherwise I think you got the right answer and you were using a kinematic equation whether you realized it or not.
 
There is no acceleration involved in this problem so the kinematic equations essentially all simplify to velocity = distance / time which is what you used.
 
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