How Far Would a Galaxy Be with a Speed of c?

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A galaxy moving at the speed of light (c) would be approximately 1.6 x 10^10 light-years away and theoretically observable from Earth, despite conflicting information suggesting otherwise. The discussion raises questions about the observable universe's size in 1968, when certain references were published. For a galaxy traveling at 1.1c, the calculations yield similar distances, but the impact of the Doppler Effect remains unclear to some participants. The distinction between the Universe and the observable universe is emphasized, noting that light from objects beyond the Hubble limit would not reach Earth. Overall, the complexities of cosmic distances and observational limits are highlighted in the context of relativistic speeds.
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Homework Statement
According to Hubble's Law, the distant galaxies are receding from us speeds proportional to their distance from us;

$$v \left( r \right) = \alpha r$$

Where ##\alpha = 2.18 \cdot 10^{-18} \text{ sec}^{-1}##

(a) How far would a galaxy be whose speed with respect to the Earth is ##c##? Would it be observable from the Earth?

(b) Consider the same questions (including Doppler Effect) for a hypothetical galaxy for which ##v(r) = 1.1c##
Relevant Equations
$$v \left( r \right) = \alpha r$$

Where ##\alpha = 2.18 \cdot 10^{-18} \text{ sec}^{-1}##

$$1 \text{ lightyear} = 9.4608 \cdot 10^{15} \text{ m }$$

According to wikipedia the observable universe has a radius of ##4.65 \cdot 10^{10} \text{ lightyears}##
(a) How far would a galaxy be whose speed with respect to the Earth is ##c##? Would it be observable from the Earth?

r=rα=1.5⋅1026 m =1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010 lightyearsr=rα=1.5⋅1026 m =1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010 lightyearsr=rα=1.5⋅1026 m =1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010 lightyears
r=ca=1.5⋅1026 m=1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010lightyearsr=ca=1.5⋅1026 m=1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010lightyears​
So Yes, the galaxy would be visible from the Earth. That said, the answers in the back of the book indicate that it is not (correct answer: No). That also said, my numerical answer for part (a) is correct according to the back of the book. Is it possible that the observable universe was smaller in 1968 when the book was published? I can't find what it was in 1968? Or is the method used/referenced in wiki different than the one under consideration?

(b) Consider the same questions (including Doppler Effect) for a hypothetical galaxy for which ##v(r) = 1.1c##

I honestly don't know how to do this apart accounting for Doppler Effect but here's what I get without accounting for Doppler Effect (using the approach from part(a)). There's no mention of wavelength or frequency so I don't understand how the Doppler Effect has anything to do with it.

r=1.1cα≈1.5⋅1026 m=1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010 lightyearsr=1.1cα≈1.5⋅1026 m=1.6⋅1010 lightyears<4.65⋅1010 lightyears​
I'm lost. I don't even understand the premise of part(b).

Edit: I'm going to Latex it up and take pictures and post it because the latex on the forum seems to be messing up.

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Hi,

There are two different concepts: the Universe, and the observable universe ( a part of the Universe ).

In a universe with constant Hubble parameter, light emitted at the present time by objects outside the Hubble limit would never be seen by an observer on Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_volume

I hope it clarifies a bit.

Regards,
ORF
 
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