How Fast Can a Magnet Train Go in a Circular Tunnel?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a magnet train propelled by magnetic repulsion within a circular tunnel. Participants explore the feasibility of such a system and its potential speed, considering the implications of magnetic forces and energy sources.

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  • Exploratory, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a magnet train could be propelled by same-pole magnets facing each other at an angle, suggesting that this could allow the train to continuously accelerate in a circular tunnel.
  • Another participant counters that Newton's third law would prevent the train from moving at all under the proposed setup.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that using electromagnets instead of permanent magnets would result in an inefficient electric train, and emphasizes that permanent magnets cannot serve as a source of energy.
  • Moderation notes indicate that discussions of perpetual motion machines or over-unity mechanisms are not permitted, leading to the closure of the thread.

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Participants express competing views on the feasibility of the proposed magnet train concept, with no consensus reached regarding its viability or the implications of the laws of physics involved.

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The discussion touches on fundamental principles of physics, including Newton's laws and the limitations of energy sources, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or technical challenges presented.

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I was wondering, if the magnet train is propelled by putting same polar magnet face each other at an angle and its natural magnetic property same pole repel, that's how it'spushing the train faster and faster...now what if we create a circular tunnel and have the train push itself and repel continuously faster and faster, wonder how fast it will go...
 
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leoliu88889 said:
I was wondering, if the magnet train is propelled by putting same polar magnet face each other at an angle and its natural magnetic property same pole repel, that's how it'spushing the train faster and faster...now what if we create a circular tunnel and have the train push itself and repel continuously faster and faster, wonder how fast it will go...
Newton's third law will prevent it moving at all.
 
If some setup of your train or tunnel used electromagnets, instead of permanent magnets, then all you have done is create a very inefficiently-designed electric train.

If you propose to use permanent magnets for the whole thing, it will not work at all. You can't use permanent magnets as a source of energy.
 
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leoliu88889 said:
I was wondering, if the magnet train is propelled by putting same polar magnet face each other at an angle and its natural magnetic property same pole repel, that's how it'spushing the train faster and faster...now what if we create a circular tunnel and have the train push itself and repel continuously faster and faster, wonder how fast it will go...
Welcome to PF. :smile:

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