How fast do neutrinos travel if they have mass?

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The discussion revolves around the speed of neutrinos if they possess mass, particularly in the context of their kinetic energy and the implications of neutrino oscillations. Participants explore theoretical aspects and calculations related to neutrino travel times over significant distances, referencing experimental data and specific energy values.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the speed of neutrinos with mass depends on their kinetic energy, suggesting that they are typically ultra relativistic and travel close to the speed of light.
  • One participant references the OPERA experiment, indicating that neutrinos detected after a 700 km flight are expected to lag behind light in vacuum by less than the diameter of a proton.
  • A mathematical expression is provided to estimate the lag of neutrinos based on their mass and energy, with a specific calculation yielding a lag of approximately 10-15 m for OPERA neutrinos.
  • Another participant calculates the lag for solar p-p neutrinos, suggesting a lag of about 0.5 m over a distance of 93 million miles, given specific energy and mass values.
  • A question is raised regarding the lag from neutrinos emitted by gamma-ray bursts, indicating an interest in further exploration of this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various calculations and hypotheses regarding the speed and lag of neutrinos, but no consensus is reached on a definitive speed or lag value, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about neutrino mass and energy values, and the calculations depend on specific experimental data and theoretical models, which may not be universally accepted or resolved.

Ishanmu
The Nobel Prize in Physics 2015 was awarded jointly to Takaaki Kajita and Arthur B. McDonald "for the discovery of neutrino oscillations, which shows that neutrinos have mass" So I was wondering if they have mass how fast are they traveling?
 
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As for anything with mass, this depends on their kinetic energy. In most cases, the neutrino mass is very small compared to the energy, which makes them ultra relativistic, i.e., they travel at speeds very close to the speed of light.
 
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If I remember correctly, the neutrinos detected at OPERA (after ~700km of flight) are expected to be less than the diameter of a proton (10-15m) behind light in vacuum.
 
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mfb said:
If I remember correctly, the neutrinos detected at OPERA (after ~700km of flight) are expected to be less than the diameter of a proton (10-15m) behind light in vacuum.

Easy to check. The average neutrino energy in OPERA is roughly 17 GeV, we also have that
$$
1-v = 1- \frac pE \simeq \frac{m^2}{2E^2}.
$$
With an upper mass bound of order 1 eV, this would mean a lag of roughly 700 km * (1.7 * 10-21), which evaluates to something surprisingly close to 10-15 m ...
 
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For a solar p-p neutrino with E = 400 keV and mc2 = 1 eV, and a flight distance of 93 million miles (sun to earth), I get a lag of about 0.5 m.
 
How much is the lag from neutrinos emitted by gamma ray bursts?
 

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