How is current direction in transformer determined and why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the direction of current in transformers, particularly in the context of alternating current (AC) and how it differs from direct current (DC) scenarios. Participants explore the implications of voltage signs and the physical behavior of current in transformer coils.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in a battery, current direction is clear due to the flow of electrons, but questions how this applies to transformers where coils are involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes that transformers operate with AC, causing current to flow alternately in both directions, switching frequently.
  • A participant clarifies that the current direction in transformers is determined by the voltage polarity at any given moment, referencing the dot convention for phasing in transformer schematics.
  • It is suggested that understanding transformers requires considering both voltage and current along with their phase angle, which is not applicable in DC circuits.
  • A later reply reflects a realization that the + and - notation in transformers does not directly indicate the true direction of the electric field, contrasting it with capacitor behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the current direction in transformers, with some clarifying concepts while others remain uncertain about the implications of voltage signs and their relation to current flow. No consensus is reached on a definitive explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the potential confusion arising from the notation used in transformers and how it might mislead interpretations of electric field direction. The discussion highlights the importance of distinguishing between AC and DC reasoning without resolving the complexities involved.

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Hello.

Please see the attached picture first.

For typical battery (nothing but capacitor), current direction is clear as electrons can't not flow across the two plates in battery so they only choose wire as a path from cathode to anode.

But in transformer (+ and - sign represents voltage at instant time), I guess electrons can choose coil as a flow path since coil itself is connected conductor. Maybe it is more favorable as it is short path from cathode to anode.

The Ohm's law on resistor forces me to think that current path should be the same to case of the battery but It doesn't physically convince me.

How we can determine current direction and why?
 

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Transformers are AC devices. Current flows alternately in both directions, switching directions 50 or 60 times per second.
 
anorlunda said:
Transformers are AC devices. Current flows alternately in both directions, switching directions 50 or 60 times per second.

I know. That's why I mentioned + and - signs are at instant time. At certain time, upper is higher voltage than lower. At this time, I'm asking how current direction is determined and why.
 
Current flows through the external circuit ("load") from + to – in accord with Ohm's Law.

There is also a dot convention applying to transformer phasing, you will see it on schematics where phasing is important. When current flows into the dotted end of the primary, it flows out of the dotted end of each of the secondaries. This is akin to indicating which ends of the secondaries are all + together, so if you need to connect some in series so their voltages add you can do it correctly.
 
If you really want to understand transformers, or any AC circuit, consider both voltage and current and the phase angle between them. You won't get far using DC reasoning. There is no phase angle in DC and it is so important in AC.
 
Thanks to give me feedback. I was thinking this issue seriously and got clear answer. The attached picture made it briefly clear.

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In this case, I was confused by + and - notation in secondary wining. I instantaneously thought electric field direction was + through coil to - like capacitor. It was wrong. The induced field direction is from - through coil to +!

If voltage is developed from space charge separation like capacitor, my original imagination is right. However here, + and - notation really doesn't relate to true field direction! They're just indicating current direction in conventional way.

I think it is clear answer:)
 

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