How is instantaneous power adjusted in the electrical grid?

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The discussion revolves around how instantaneous power is adjusted in the electrical grid, addressing the variability of power consumption and production. Participants explore concepts related to power regulation, propagation speed of electrical signals, and the mechanisms employed in power plants to maintain balance in the grid.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that instantaneous electrical power is not constant due to fluctuations in consumption and production.
  • It is mentioned that generators in power plants act as flywheels over short timescales, while hydro and gas power plants can quickly adjust their output over longer timescales.
  • There is a question regarding the validity of the claim that surplus electrical power is derived to ground, with some participants expressing skepticism.
  • Participants inquire about the typical speed of electrical power transfer in grids, with one stating that the propagation speed for changes in voltages in cables is typically 2/3 the speed of light.
  • There is a clarification that the speed of electrical power transfer is the same as the speed for changes in voltages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and expertise, with some agreeing on the propagation speed of electrical signals while others remain uncertain about specific mechanisms and claims regarding surplus power management. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

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Participants mention limitations in their understanding of electrical engineering concepts, such as reactance and resistance in electrical grids, which may affect the depth of the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring electrical engineering concepts, particularly those related to power systems, grid management, and the dynamics of electrical power transfer.

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Hello

I didn't find a similar question, but if it's redundant, please erase this thread.

The instant electrical power is not constant (because of the consumption and of the production). So, how the instant power is adjusted in the electrical grid?

There is a similar entry, but it has several open questions:
-> I have heard that in case of surplus, the electrical power is derived to ground, but this seems weird to me. Is it true?
-> They talk about the speed of the electrical power; how fast is the electrical power transfer? (post10).

Thank you in advance :)

Greetings.
 
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@anorlunda wrote an insights article about AC networks. On the timescale of seconds, the generators in power plants act as flywheels. Over longer timescales, various power plants regulate their power, especially hydro and gas power plants can quickly switch on/off.
 
@mfb: Oh, I didn't notice that article. Thank you :)

Just to keep in mind some number... what is the electrical power speed for a typical electrical grid? (I don't know the typical parameters of reactance and resistance for an electrical grid)

@cnh1995: thank you for the thread. I'm not an electrical engineer, so it's a bit harder for me following it.
 
The propagation speed for changes in voltages in cables is typically 2/3 c. The effective speed can be different in complex networks.
 
Ok, thank you :)

The last stupid question of the thread (I promise): the speed of electrical power transfer is the same as the speed for changes in voltages?
 
ORF said:
Ok, thank you :)

The last stupid question of the thread (I promise): the speed of electrical power transfer is the same as the speed for changes in voltages?

Yes, that's correct.
 

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