How does turning off a light bulb affect the entire electric grid?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the workings of the electrical grid, particularly how turning off a light bulb affects the grid. Participants explore the concepts of circuit diagrams, power transmission, and the measurement of electricity consumption, while also touching on the broader implications of grid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how the electrical grid functions, specifically how power is transmitted to a socket and how it is interrupted when a switch is turned off.
  • Another participant suggests that one-line diagrams are the industry standard for representing distribution level circuits, simplifying complex systems into more manageable forms.
  • A participant mentions the difficulty in accessing accurate grid data and maps, noting that regulatory agencies have restricted such information since 9/11.
  • One participant shares a link to a resource that visualizes power shifts in the grid, highlighting the dynamic nature of the system.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between turning off a light bulb and a larger event, such as a tornado, explaining that even small changes can affect power flow across vast distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the functioning of the grid and the implications of turning off a light bulb, but there is no consensus on the specifics of these interactions or the best ways to visualize them.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of power flow and grid dynamics that are not fully explored or defined. There are also references to specific resources that may not address all questions posed by participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying electrical engineering, physics, or anyone curious about the intricacies of electrical systems and their operational dynamics.

AsadQZR
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Hello Physics Forums, this is my first post!

I wanted to know how the current electrical grid system works. I mean, not in terms of creation, transmission, and distribution, but rather, how you would draw it on a circuit diagram. I understand that an AC current is generated at the power factory (or power factories) but how does that make it to my power socket? Also how does it not, when my switch is turned off?

It would be awesome if you could also answer how the electricity company measures my consumption of electricity.

Thank you for answering, I will appreciate any input on it :smile:. You see, I was not able to find very good information on the internet, even after many hours spent researching related things.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
:welcome:

AsadQZR said:
Hello Physics Forums, this is my first post!

I wanted to know how the current electrical grid system works. I mean, not in terms of creation, transmission, and distribution, but rather, how you would draw it on a circuit diagram. I understand that an AC current is generated at the power factory (or power factories) but how does that make it to my power socket? Also how does it not, when my switch is turned off?

It would be awesome if you could also answer how the electricity company measures my consumption of electricity.

Thank you for answering, I will appreciate any input on it :smile:. You see, I was not able to find very good information on the internet, even after many hours spent researching related things.

This Insights article will answer some, but not all of your questions.
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-happens-when-you-flip-the-light-switch/

On Physics Forums it is usually best to ask only one question per thread.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: berkeman and AsadQZR
Since you asked about drawing circuits, the industry standard is to use one-line diagrams for drawing distribution level circuits. These diagrams simplify the drawing of 3-phase systems. As the name implies, in one-line diagrams you can group multiple wires into a single power bus. Three-phase transformers become single units. It would be a real mess if you actually drew the entire circuit with all the transformer taps, fuses, disconnects, and panels. It wouldn't make much sense at all. You can find plenty of one-line (single-line) examples from a Google search.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: AsadQZR
WECC maps (maps of the Western US grid) show simple lines for large transmission lines, for example. Even though I worked in power for years, it has now become harder to get access to accurate data or maps. FERC and NERC (agencies that oversee the grid) have tried to lock down this kind of data since 9/11.

I have not seen an electric grid map since 2009 when I moved to gas only. However there were points on the map that even people like me could see where an attack would have massive consequences. There has been work since then to improve things.

Read this to see how a software bug at one electric company brought down Major parts of the US Northeast grid, and the part of the grid in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: AsadQZR
You might enjoy watching the grid shift power between regions
http://fnetpublic.utk.edu/index.html

select "us frequency gradient map" which shows frequency changes
though something is wrong with it, it shows 'way out west' always running slow
but it's still interesting to watch frequency hunt around 60hz, demonstrating the grid is a dynamic almost living thing as per Anorlunda's insights article...

or select "angle contour map" where red-ish regions are shipping power into blue-ish regions

displays of captured grid upsets are fun to watch.

old jim
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: AsadQZR, OmCheeto and anorlunda
Once again, @jim hardy found an excellent web resource. But my favorite on that site is the "captured grid upsets" that Jim mentioned. In particular, the event below is very instructive. It shows how a local event (a tornado) causes the grid over a wide area to respond.

Turning off a light bulb, is like the tornado event in miniature. And yes it is true that turning off a light in Kentucky slightly alters the power flow on every power line from Kansas to Maine. In Europe, I could say a light bulb in Kiev effects every power line between Siberia to Spain. And those power flow changes influence frequency.

 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: AsadQZR, jim hardy and OmCheeto

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
8K
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 79 ·
3
Replies
79
Views
7K
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
607