How is the following derived: Please help derive the following: dPh/dR

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The discussion revolves around deriving the expression for the derivative of power with respect to resistance in a series circuit, specifically focusing on the power transfer to a heater's resistance (Rh) in relation to the circuit's internal resistance (Ro) and a constant voltage (V). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and optimization of power transfer.

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  • One participant outlines the derivation of power (Ph) in terms of the resistances and voltage, leading to the expression Ph = V^2 Rh / (Ro + Rh)^2.
  • Another participant questions the notation used for squaring terms, suggesting clearer representations using TeX formatting.
  • A participant expresses confusion about simplifying the derivative and its implications for maximum efficiency and impedance matching.
  • One participant states that the maximum power occurs when the derivative dPh/dRh equals zero, providing a simplified form of the derivative.
  • There is a suggestion that Rh must equal Ro for maximum power transfer, with a later confirmation of this assertion.

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While there is agreement on the condition for maximum power transfer (Rh equals Ro), the discussion includes varying levels of understanding regarding the simplification of the derivative and its implications, indicating that some participants are still seeking clarification.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the simplification process of the derivative and its practical implications for efficiency and impedance matching. The discussion also reflects varying levels of expertise among participants, particularly with one participant identifying as a high school student.

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Here is the working leading up to this:
The circuit is a series circuit, with Ro being the circuit's internal resistance and Rh being the heater's resistance. We're only concerned about the power transfer to Rh. We have an input with a constant voltage V. Ohm's law: V = IR, where R is the total resistance of the circuit. In a series circuit this total resistance is the sum of the resistances in the circuit.

I = V / (Ro + Rh)

The voltage developed across the heating resistance will again be dictated by ohm's law:
Vh = I * Rh
Substitute: Vh = V * Rh / (Ro + Rh) P = I Vh
so Ph = [V / (Ro + Rh)] * [V * Rh / (Ro + Rh)]
Ph = V2 Rh / (Ro + Rh)2

Rh is the only variable, since Ro and V are fixed in this context. In order to find the maximum power transfer, we optimize this equation. Optimization theorem: a functions optimum points occur at the function boundaries, and where the first derivative of the function is equal to zero. In this case we're not going to look at the boundaries, since they are at 0 and infinite.

dPh/dRh = V2 (Ro - Rh) / (Ro + Rh)3.
 
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What do you men on V2 and (Ro + Rh)2 ? Do those "2"-s mean square? Then use ^ as V^2 or (Ro+Rh)^2 or
click to "Go Advanced" and you can find above the text the symbols X2 and X2, so you can write the square of something as something 2.

So: I=V/(Ro+Rh)
and

Ph=V2Rh/(Ro+Rh)2.

It is even better to use TeX
I=\frac{V}{R_0+R_h}
P_h=I^2R_h= \frac{V^2R_h}{(R_0+R_h)^2}

You get the derivative of Ph with respect to Rh with the formula for the derivative of a fraction, and simplifying. If F(x) = g(x)/h(x) F'=\frac{g'h-gh'}{h^2}

So
\frac{d P_h}{dR_h}=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)^2-2R_h(R_0+Rh)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)

Simplify.

ehild
 
I am a high school student, how would i simplify that, and in terms of maximum efficiency of a wire what does this mean? ie in terms of matching impedance
 
The power on Rh is maximum if its derivative dPh/dRh is zero. The derivative is shown in my previous post, but it can be simplified if you factorize the numerator. \frac{d P_h}{dR_h}=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)^2-2R_h(R_0+Rh)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)=V^2\left(\frac{(R_0+R_h)(r_0+R_h-2R_h)}{(R_0+R_h)^4}\right)=V^2\frac{r_0-R_h}{(R_0+R_h)^3}=0

What should be Rh to make the expression equal to zero?

ehild
 
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So Rh has to equal Ro? wow thanks man
 
Yes, it is. You get the maximum power out of a voltage source on a load, equal to the internal resistance of the source.

ehild
 

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