Maximum Power Transfer for Coupled Emitter Follower

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum AC power delivered to a load in an emitter follower circuit, focusing on theoretical versus practical considerations in circuit analysis. Participants explore the implications of load resistance, voltage calculations, and the behavior of the circuit under different conditions.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the output resistance (Rout) as 19.2Ω and the emitter voltage at the operating point as 10.7V, asserting these values are correct.
  • Another participant questions the validity of using a 19.2Ω load, suggesting that it may lead to excessive loading on the transistor and affect the bias point.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculation of maximum power transfer, with one participant stating that the maximum amplitude sine wave at the emitter is 9.3V, leading to a derived power of 2.25W.
  • Some participants express confusion over the assertion that only half of the voltage appears across the load resistor, questioning the reasoning behind this claim.
  • One participant suggests simulating the circuit with varying loads to observe the behavior and validate theoretical assumptions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the discussion is based on textbook theory rather than practical application, noting the importance of matching impedances.
  • There is a discussion about modeling the output as either a Norton or Thévenin source, with implications for how voltage and current are distributed across the load.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the load resistance and the calculations related to voltage across the load. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the voltage distribution or the maximum power transfer calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made regarding the circuit's behavior, particularly in relation to real-world applications versus theoretical models. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the calculations and the implications of different modeling approaches.

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Homework Statement



For the attached emitter follower circuit, calculate the maximum ac power (Sinusoidal signal) delivered to an attached load.

I have already calculated Rout of the circuit as 19.2Ω, and the voltage at the emitter at operating point (no input signal) as 10.7V (I know these to be correct).


Homework Equations


Ohms Law
Power equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Max Power transfer implies a load resistor f Rl=Ro=19.2Ω
The maximum amplitude sine wave that could be applied at emitter before railing is 20V-10.7V=9.3V
This is an rms value of6.58V
A sine wave of this rms voltage across the load would give (6.58V)^2/19.2Ω = 2.25W of Power.

The answer however says "emitter voltage at operating point = 10.7V. this is equivalent to an rms of 7.57V" - I don't understand why we us this voltage.
it then says "only half this appears across the load resistor (3.79V)" - I don't understand why. Isn't the ac voltage across the load equal to the ac voltage at the emitter?
this then gives the correct answer as "(3.79V)^2/19.2 = 0.75W"

Any help in explaining this would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
 
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How did you compute R_out? Not with small-signal analysis I hope.

Anyway, the question makes little sense. The max load in reality would be set by max transistor power dissipation. A 19.2 ohm load is absurd. Even with a beta of 100 tyat's a 1.9K load reflected back to the base,;the tranbsistor would be grossly loaded down. The bias operating point would be grossly upset.
Etc.
 
engineer_ja said:

Homework Statement



For the attached emitter follower circuit, calculate the maximum ac power (Sinusoidal signal) delivered to an attached load.

I have already calculated Rout of the circuit as 19.2Ω, and the voltage at the emitter at operating point (no input signal) as 10.7V (I know these to be correct).


Homework Equations


Ohms Law
Power equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Max Power transfer implies a load resistor f Rl=Ro=19.2Ω
The maximum amplitude sine wave that could be applied at emitter before railing is 20V-10.7V=9.3V
This is an rms value of6.58V
A sine wave of this rms voltage across the load would give (6.58V)^2/19.2Ω = 2.25W of Power.

The answer however says "emitter voltage at operating point = 10.7V. this is equivalent to an rms of 7.57V" - I don't understand why we us this voltage.
it then says "only half this appears across the load resistor (3.79V)" - I don't understand why. Isn't the ac voltage across the load equal to the ac voltage at the emitter?
this then gives the correct answer as "(3.79V)^2/19.2 = 0.75W"

Any help in explaining this would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.

Presumably the other half apears across the decoupling capacitor.
 
engineer_ja said:
Any help in explaining this would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
It's a bit puzzling. If you have simulation software, I think you should simulate this and run it for various values of load and input. Record the waveshapes to see how well it holds up.
 
Hi, this isn't real life, its a textbook question.

The question started with identifying the class of amplifier and then finding Ib for hFE=50 and VBE=0.7 for no input supplied. this comes out as 105 muA.
Then using small signal parameters calculate small signal gain and voltage. This again gave m G=0.981 and Ro=19.2 Ohm. these are correct by the mark scheme.

It then asks what the max ac power that can be transferred is. Following 'theory', not reality, this suggests matching the impedances and putting 19.2 Ohm as the load resistor (again correct by the markscheme). My problem is then how the answer calculates max power. I don't how they get their theoretical maximum sine wave as 10.7V, or why they say only half the voltage appears across the load (surely the load is modeled in parallel with output so the full ac voltage appears across it?).
 
engineer_ja said:
It then asks what the max ac power that can be transferred is. Following 'theory', not reality, this suggests matching the impedances and putting 19.2 Ohm as the load resistor (again correct by the markscheme).
I understand your line of thought, and your method is the way I would have proceeded.

My problem is then how the answer calculates max power. I don't how they get their theoretical maximum sine wave as 10.7V, or why they say only half the voltage appears across the load (surely the load is modeled in parallel with output so the full ac voltage appears across it?).
If you model the output as a Norton source feeding a parallel pair of resistances, then, yes, you can say each resistance gets the full voltage though only half the current. Equivalently, you could see the output as a Thévenin source feeding a pair of series resistances, with each getting the full current though only half the voltage. It is two different ways of expressing the same thing.
 
Right, I'll have to work through that but it seems to make sense.

Thanks for the help!
 

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