How Is the Initial Current Calculated in a Discharge Graph?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial current in a discharge graph related to a capacitor discharging through a resistor. The context includes a capacitor charged to 12 V and then discharged, with participants exploring the implications of different voltage values on the current calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the initial current and question the source of the voltage value of 1.6 V used in the calculations, contrasting it with the expected 12 V from the capacitor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the initial voltage, and some participants are seeking clarification on the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the voltage values used in the calculations, specifically the transition from 12 V to 1.6 V, which has not been explicitly addressed in the original problem statement. The time constant and the parameters of the discharge process are also under scrutiny.

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Hi, I need help with the last part. I have put each part with the answers.

For b) ii) I want to know where does V=1.6 V come from?

(a) A 2200 µF capacitor is charged to a potential difference of 12 V and then discharged through an electric motor. The motor lifts a 50 g mass through a height of 24 cm.

(i) Show that the energy stored in the capacitor is approximately 0.16


E = ½ CV^2 = 0.5 × 2200 × 10(–6) F × (12 V)^2
E = 0.158 J

(ii) What is the efficiency of the electric motor in this situation?

E = mgh = 0.12 J
Efficiency = 0.12 ÷ 0.16 J = 0.75

(b) The capacitor is charged to 12 V again and then discharged through a 16  resistor.

(i) Show that the time constant for this discharge is approximately 35 ms.


t = RC = 35.2 s

---- I need help with ----


(ii) Sketch a graph of current against time for this discharge on the grid below. You should indicate the current at t = 0 and t = 35 ms.

Curve starting on I axis but not reaching t axis
I = 1.6 V / 16Ohms = 100 mA shown on axis
Curve passing through about 37 mA at t = 35 ms
 
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What is the equation for current as a function of time? Hint: it is the solution to the differential equation:

V_C + V_R = 0 where V_R = IR = R(dQ/dt) and V_C = Q/C

So:

\dot Q + Q/RC = 0[/itex]<br /> <br /> AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
What is the equation for current as a function of time? Hint: it is the solution to the differential equation:

V_C + V_R = 0 where V_R = IR = R(dQ/dt) and V_C = Q/C

So:

\dot Q + Q/RC = 0[/itex]<br /> <br /> AM
<br /> <br /> Is there any other way, because this is precalculus physics?
 
Masafi said:
Is there any other way, because this is precalculus physics?
The solution is:

Q = Q_0e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}

so:

\dot Q = I = \frac{V}{R} = -\frac{Q_0}{RC}e^{-\frac{t}{RC}} = -\frac{V_0}{R}e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}

Can you graph that?

AM
 
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Andrew Mason said:
The solution is:

Q = Q_0e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}

so:

\dot Q = I = \frac{V}{R} = -\frac{Q_0}{RC}e^{-\frac{t}{RC}} = -\frac{V_0}{R}e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}

Can you graph that?

AM

Yeah, so at t=0, I = 12V/16ohms = 0.75A

But the answer uses 1.6V, which I am not sure where they get from...

"I = 1.6 V / 16 = 100 mA shown on axis "

Shouldn't it be 12V since it says:

"The capacitor is charged to 12 V again and then discharged through a 16ohms resistor"

The time constant is approximately 35s, as the capacitance is 2200 microF.

On the graph in the answer, they have Current = 37mA at t=35, and Current = 100mA at t=0?

Basically, I can't get how they get the orignal V to be 1.6V, rather than 12V - there was no mention of 1.6V in the question...
 
You are right. The answers given correspond to an initial voltage of 1.6 V, not 12. The correct answers are 750 mA and 277 mA.

AM
 

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