How is the integration of displacement performed in this scenario?

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The discussion centers on the integration of displacement in the context of kinetic energy changes, specifically examining the mathematical representation of the integral involving velocity. Participants explore the boundaries of integration and the relationship between different variables in the context of physics problems.

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  • One participant questions how the integration is performed in the equation ½m∫ d(v²) = ½m(vf² - v0²) = ΔK, particularly regarding the boundaries of the integral.
  • Another participant clarifies that the limits of integration should match the variable being integrated, suggesting that the correct form is ½m∫ d(v²) from v0² to vf².
  • A participant notes a discrepancy with a textbook that uses limits from v0 to vf instead, raising a question about the justification for different approaches to integration.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of rewriting the integral as ½m∫ v dv, with a participant confirming that d(v²) can be expressed as 2v dv, indicating flexibility in changing variables or bounds.
  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule in the context of differentiating v² with respect to v, with some noting that both the chain rule and direct differentiation are valid approaches.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate limits of integration and the representation of the integral, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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The discussion reflects varying interpretations of integration boundaries and variable relationships, with some participants suggesting that the notation in the textbook may lead to confusion.

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How was this integration performed?

½m∫ d(v2) = ½m(vf2 - v02) = ΔK

A book on a table is displaced by a net force in the positive x direction, which changes the speed of the book. The integral was taken over the initial speed to the final speed and I'm not quite sure how to incorporate boundaries on my integral with this site (sorry!).
 
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## \frac 12 m \int_{v_0}^{v_f} d(v^2) ## is saying that your variable is ##v^2##, so your limits of integration should match your variable, which would give you:
## \frac 12 m \int_{v_0^2}^{v_f^2} d(v^2) ##
This is essentially just an integral like
##\int_a^b 1 dx = \left. x \right|_a^b = b-a##.
 
Thank you for the help, I understand now, but there's one more thing that I'm having trouble with also.

I'm looking at this in my book, "Physics for Scientists and Engineers 9th Edition" by Raymond Serway and John Jewett, Jr. In the book, their bounds of integration are not from v02 to vf2, but are just from v0 to vf.

Also, would I not be justified in doing something like this,

½m∫ d(v2) = ½m∫ v dv ?
 
Close. ##d(v^2) = 2v dv##, so you could do that too. The bounds were given in terms of the variable v, so sometimes it's easier to change the bounds to match the variable and sometimes its easier to change the variable to match the bounds. In either case, I think that the book's notation can lead to confusion if you just try to do the math without thinking about the physical interpretation.
##\int_{v=v_0}^{v = v_f} d(v^2) = \int_{v^2=v_0^2}^{v^2 = v_f^2} 1 d(v^2) = \int_{v=v_0}^{v = v_f} 2v dv##
 
So then, for

d(v2) = 2vdv

Are we applying the chain rule somehow?
 
We are taking ##\frac{d v^2}{dv} = 2v## and moving the dv to the right. *edit* Or using the chain rule--both are correct.
 
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Great. Thank you for your help.
 

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