How Is the Total Energy Inside a Cylindrical Wire Calculated?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total energy stored inside a cylindrical wire of radius r and length L carrying a current I. Two approaches are considered: the first evaluates the energy density at the surface of the wire, while the second integrates the magnetic field B as a function of distance x from the center, where x is less than r. The key question revolves around whether "inside" the wire excludes the boundary, impacting the integration limits. The participants seek clarity on which method accurately represents the total energy, emphasizing the need to integrate over the entire volume of the wire. Ultimately, understanding the definition of "inside" is crucial for determining the correct approach to the energy calculation.
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Given a cylindrical wire of radius r, length L, carrying a current I, find the total energy stored inside the wire.

From griffiths,

uem= εE2/2 +B2/2μ

and the tot energy is

∫uem dVI have my E and B fields, but my B field is a function of x where x<r, (E is uniform)

B=kx/r2 (k=all the constants)

my question is,

it says inside the wire, does this mean i cannot put x=r and integrate easily to get

Energy=(εE2/2 +B2/2μ)\pi r^2 L ?

will i have to integrate B seperately to get something like

∫∫∫Kx x dx dz d\phi where K = k/r2 (since dV = x dx dz dthi in cylindrical)

= (2/3) K x3 L pi

If so would this be it? No bounds on x, giving the energy at some radius inside the wire?

I guess the real question is, does saying INSIDE mean not evaluated at the boundary? Like the total energy inside the wire at any radius x<r

Im unsure about this because of the (2/3)x3 in the second approach since if you put x=r here it will be different to the first approach because of the (2/3)
 
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Hi Jesssa! :smile:
Jesssa said:
Given a cylindrical wire of radius r, length L, carrying a current I, find the total energy stored inside the wire.

I guess the real question is, does saying INSIDE mean not evaluated at the boundary? Like the total energy inside the wire at any radius x<r

The total energy stored inside the wire is the the energy per tiny volume, integrated over the whole volume. :wink:
 
hey tiny-tim,

the energy density is uem and the total energy is the integral of this over the whole volume, this is straight from griffiths, but I'm not sure about the solution to the problem,

do you know which of the two cases i posted are the correct approach?

the first is taking B at the surface B(r)=k/r = K

then the total energy is just what i posted in the first post,

(εE2/2 +B2/2μ)πr2L

and the second was leaving B as a function of x, the field at some distance x from the centre of the circular cross section,

B = kx/r2

integrating over the volume in cylindrical co-ordinates to get

∫∫∫Kx x dx dz dϕ where K = k/r2 (since dV = x dx dz dthi in cylindrical)

= (2/3) K x3 L pi i guess the question is over what volume is considered inside the cylinder, some x<a or just x=a?

or was your post implying that neither approaches are correct?
 
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