How is transverse momentum defined and calculated?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and calculation of transverse momentum, particularly in the context of collisions between objects. Participants explore the conceptual framework for understanding transverse momentum, its calculation in a three-dimensional coordinate system, and its implications in various physical scenarios.

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  • One participant questions the definition of transverse momentum and its relation to the momentum of shattered pieces after a collision, suggesting a need for clarity on how to calculate individual momenta.
  • Another participant proposes a method for setting up a three-dimensional coordinate system with the center of mass as the origin, indicating that momentum is a vector quantity and should sum to zero in this system.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the perpendicular components of momentum and poses a hypothetical scenario involving a dangling orb to clarify the concept.
  • There is a question about how to incorporate angles into equations involving transverse momentum, highlighting the non-linear nature of the problem.
  • One participant notes that in collisions, the vector sum of transverse momentum must equal zero, suggesting that unaccounted particles could affect this balance, referencing deep inelastic collisions and the discovery of quarks.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether transverse momentum is still defined as mass times velocity, raising the distinction between non-relativistic and relativistic momentum, and providing a relativistic momentum equation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the definition and calculation of transverse momentum. There is no consensus on a singular definition, and multiple viewpoints on how to approach the topic remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining transverse momentum, particularly in relation to angles and the three-dimensional nature of momentum vectors. The discussion reflects uncertainty about how to apply these concepts in different scenarios, especially when considering relativistic effects.

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What is transverse momentum?

I think I have a general gist but I may be wrong. I'm thinking that when two object collide and shatter, then all the shattered pieces' momentums should add to be the same as the momentum of the two objects just before colliding. But how would you find the momentum of a single shattered piece? Also, do perpendicular angles have anything to do with this?

Thanks.
 
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The general principal is to set up a 3-d coordinate system. The simplest would have the center of mass (which may be moving) as the origin and the line connecting the two objects as one axis. The other two axes would be any mutually perpendicular pair perpendicular to the first axis.
For each piece its momentum is a vector along its direction with magnitude mass times speed. In this system the total momentum should be 0.
 
Okay so I understand the first part about the 3-d coordinate system and the center of mass being at the origin. But I'm having difficulty picturing the perpendicular part.

So if I had a dangling orb, and I shot it, and it shattered, theoretically each piece would have a mutual piece traveling in the opposite direction with the same momentum?
 
Also, how would one set up an equation involving transverse momentum since it is not linear? Basically, how is the angle of the individual piece from the origin taken into account?
 
As you point out, when two particles collide, the vector sum of all the transverse momentum has to add up to zero. When it doesn't. there might be an invisible particle unaccounted for. In deep inelastic collisions, high-momentum-transfer collisions are sometimes referred to as high pT (for transverse momentum, or high p-perp (for perpendicular). Deep inelastic electron-proton collisions discovered quarks.
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Okay. That makes a lot of sense. So I get the whole concept of transverse momentum. But I still do not know how I would define it. Is transverse momentum still equal to mass*velocity? Or is it something different?
 
fisics101 said:
Okay. That makes a lot of sense. So I get the whole concept of transverse momentum. But I still do not know how I would define it. Is transverse momentum still equal to mass*velocity? Or is it something different?
For non-relativistic momentum, you are correct. For relativistic particles,

E2 = (pc)2 + (m0c2)2

where E = total energy, p = momentum, and (m0c2)2 is rest mass.

So p = sqrt(E2-(m0c2)2)/c

Bob S
 

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