How is Velocity Calculated in Lorentz Force Spectrometry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of velocity in the context of Lorentz force spectrometry, particularly focusing on how mass, charge, and electric potential influence this calculation. Participants explore the implications of these factors in mass spectrometry and seek clarification on the treatment of charged particles.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the velocity of a particle with mass m and charge q when subjected to an electric field of potential Vd, questioning whether the problem should be approached as a vector problem and if angles need to be specified.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the treatment of negatively charged particles compared to positively charged ones, suggesting that the existing expressions may not adequately differentiate between the two.
  • A participant clarifies that their inquiry is for personal understanding rather than schoolwork and provides a reference document related to the topic.
  • One participant states their ultimate goal is to understand how the time taken for ions to reach a detector in a mass spectrometer can be converted into mass/charge values for those ions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the treatment of charged particles and the specifics of the velocity calculation in the context of Lorentz force spectrometry.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the velocity calculations, particularly regarding the treatment of charge polarity and the need for additional parameters such as angles.

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If a particle of mass m and charge q (where q can be negative or positive, and the velocity should be positive if q is positive and negative if q is negative) is passed through an electric field of potential Vd, what is the velocity v of the particle?

Or possibly this should be a vector problem? Maybe I need to specify some angles? If you'd take me through what's going on here I'd be grateful, and if there are some angles of incidence I should have given but didn't then please give them algebraic letters anyway and proceed.
 
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Big-Daddy said:
If a particle of mass m and charge q (where q can be negative or positive, and the velocity should be positive if q is positive and negative if q is negative) is passed through an electric field of potential Vd, what is the velocity v of the particle?

Or possibly this should be a vector problem? Maybe I need to specify some angles? If you'd take me through what's going on here I'd be grateful, and if there are some angles of incidence I should have given but didn't then please give them algebraic letters anyway and proceed.

What is the context of your question? Is this for schoolwork? What references are you using so far to understand the Lorentz force?
 
No I'm asking this question for my own understanding. The topic is mass spectrometry and my reference so far is this document:

http://www.whoi.edu/cms/files/Lecture6_2011_96624.pdf

Everything makes sense except for the velocity as a function of mass, V and charge expression. And in general, the problem I see with the whole thing is that it would appear to treat negatively charged particles the same way as positively charged particles (either that, or say that they have the same velocity).
 
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My final goal is to figure out how, in a mass spectrometer, we can transform the time taken for each ion to reach the detector, into the mass/charge value for that ion.
 

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