How Is Volume Affected by Pressure in an Ideal Gas?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a monatomic ideal gas in a thermally insulated container, specifically focusing on how volume is affected by pressure changes during adiabatic compression. Participants are exploring the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature as described by the ideal gas law and the principles of thermodynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply the ideal gas law and work through the implications of adiabatic processes. Questions arise regarding the correct equations to use, particularly in relation to the thermally insulated nature of the container and the role of the adiabatic condition.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the appropriate equations for adiabatic processes, while others express confusion about the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider how these variables interact during adiabatic compression.

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Participants note that the thermally insulated condition of the container is crucial to understanding the problem, and there is discussion about the implications of this condition on the equations used. The concept of adiabatic processes is central to the discussion, with references to the constant nature of certain relationships.

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Homework Statement


A monatomic ideal gas is held in a thermally insulated container with a volume of 0.0900m 3. The pressure of the gas is 110 kPa, and its temperature is 347 K.
To what volume must the gas be compressed to increase its pressure to 150 kPa?
To what volume must the gas be compressed to increase its pressure to 150 kPa?

Homework Equations



PV=nRT
[tex]\Delta[/tex]=Q-W
W=P[tex]\Delta[/tex]V

The Attempt at a Solution


P1*V1/P2
=(110*.09)/(150)
= .0660 this is wrong i don't know what I'm missing..
 
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MozAngeles said:

Homework Statement


A monatomic ideal gas is held in a thermally insulated container with a volume of 0.0900m 3. The pressure of the gas is 110 kPa, and its temperature is 347 K.
To what volume must the gas be compressed to increase its pressure to 150 kPa?
To what volume must the gas be compressed to increase its pressure to 150 kPa?

Homework Equations



PV=nRT
[tex]\Delta[/tex]=Q-W
W=P[tex]\Delta[/tex]V

The Attempt at a Solution


P1*V1/P2
=(110*.09)/(150)
= .0660 this is wrong i don't know what I'm missing..
The key is the thermally insulated container. What kind of compression is this? What is the relationship between P and V in such a compression? (hint: it has something to do with [itex]\gamma[/itex])

AM
 
So it is a adiabatic compression right?
So would I use
PiVi[tex]\gamma[/tex]=PfVf[tex]\gamma[/tex]
 
MozAngeles said:
So it is a adiabatic compression right?
So would I use
PiVi[tex]\gamma[/tex]=PfVf[tex]\gamma[/tex]
If you mean:

[tex]P_iV_i^{\gamma} = P_fV_f^{\gamma}[/tex]

ie: [tex]PV^{\gamma} = K = constant[/tex]

then, yes

AM
 
and then for the second part of the question I am still stumped, I thought you could use
Vi/Ti=Vf/Tf

and this isn't right, probably because of the fact that it is adiabatic?
but the equation is PV[tex]\gamma[/tex]= constant
so that doesn't include temperature, and now I'm lost..
 
MozAngeles said:
and then for the second part of the question I am still stumped, I thought you could use
Vi/Ti=Vf/Tf

and this isn't right, probably because of the fact that it is adiabatic?
but the equation is PV[tex]\gamma[/tex]= constant
so that doesn't include temperature, and now I'm lost..
Vi/Ti=Vf/Tf is true only if P is constant. In an adiabatic change, P, V and T all change. The ideal gas law still applies. But in order to determine how T changes you have to know how P and V change.

If you substitute P = nRT/V into the adiabatic condition, it becomes:

[tex]TV^{(\gamma-1)} = PV^\gamma/nR = K/nR = \text{constant}[/tex]

That is what you have to use.

AM
 
thanks figured it out
 

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