How long does it take for this bucket to empty?

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The problem involves a cylinder with a leak at the bottom, initially filled to a depth d, and examines the time required for the cylinder to empty completely after being partially drained to a depth of d/2 in 10 minutes. The discussion centers around fluid dynamics concepts, particularly the relationship between pressure, depth, and the rate of water loss.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to establish a relationship between the depth of water and time, considering the decreasing pressure as the bucket empties. There are suggestions to derive an equation for the rate of loss of water and to explore the implications of pressure on the leak rate.

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Some participants have offered guidance on forming equations relating depth to time and have suggested using principles from fluid dynamics, such as Bernoulli's equation and Torricelli's law. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved and a recognition of the need for further exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of ignoring turbulence and viscosity, which may impact the accuracy of their models. There is also a mention of the original poster's lack of follow-up, which leaves some discussions open-ended.

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Homework Statement


Ignore turbulence and viscosity.
A cylinder with radius r is filled to depth d. There's a leak in the bottom of the cylinder.
When suspended from a rope, the depth is reduced to d/2 after 10 minutes. From this point, how long should it take to empty completely?


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My initial thought would be that it would take 10 minutes, but that must be oversimplifying things. As the bucket empties, the pressure will surely decrease, and so, therefore, will the rate of loss of water.
The equation P=ρgd comes to mind, where P is the pressure, ρ the water density, g the acceleration due to gravity and d the depth.
I am unsure how to relate this to time though.
Would I need to find an equation for d, relating it to time, and take the integral, with limits d to d/2, then compare that to the current situation? If so, I have no idea how to actually do this.

Any help appreciated
Thanks
 
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You need to find an equation for the "rate of loss of water". From that, you can form an equation relating the depth with time, and, using the data specified, solve the problem.
 
LiamG_G said:
Would I need to find an equation for d, relating it to time, and take the integral, with limits d to d/2,
Yes, but create a new variable for the depth at time t. (d is constant here.)
What relationship can you find between the pressure at the bottom of the bucket and the leak rate?
 
Too bad the OP would not follow up. I would like to compare my approach with the other two posters & am sending them mine to that end.

Oops, looks like voko is out.

TSny, mfb, Chet et al?
 
I would go Bernoulli -> Torricelli -> diff. eq. for depth. Then I would plug in the 10 minutes - d/2 datum, determine unspecified parameters, and solve. I have not actually done so, so there might be some gotchas I don't know about.
 

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