How long does it take to heat a vessel?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time required to heat a closed vessel of water, considering both the heat capacity of the water and the vessel itself, along with the power rating of the heating element. The initial formula proposed for time estimation is t = C(ΔT)/power, where C is the total heat capacity. Participants discuss incorporating ambient temperature effects using Newton's law of cooling, leading to the need for a differential equation that accounts for heat loss to the environment. The correct form of the differential equation is identified, but there is confusion regarding the constant k, which represents the heat transfer coefficient. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately modeling heat transfer dynamics to achieve a reliable solution.
  • #31
Modrisco89 said:
I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:

$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$
 
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  • #32
Modrisco89 said:
I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:

$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Chestermiller said:
Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$
Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practice

I was told by lecturer that It can solve any DE
 
  • #33
Modrisco89 said:
Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practice

I was told by lecturer that It can solve any DE
Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.
 
  • #34
Chestermiller said:
Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.

Must be my maths is the major issue here, listen thanks so much for your help, I'm coming with realistic values on excel so it's looking good, I took the surface area of the tank and multiplied it by the thermal conductility of air and it's working out alright
 
  • #35
Modrisco89 said:
Must be my maths is the major issue here, listen thanks so much for your help, I'm coming with realistic values on excel so it's looking good, I took the surface area of the tank and multiplied it by the thermal conductility of air and it's working out alright
The surface area times the thermal conductivity of air does not have the proper units.
 
  • #36
Looks like I'm not out tench yet, so I'm assuming it should be in watts per kelvin for the k value, thermal conductance of air perhaps?
 
  • #37
I found kA/L

So k = air thermal conductance and A = surface area of tank, what would L be?
 
  • #38
Modrisco89 said:
Looks like I'm not out tench yet, so I'm assuming it should be in watts per kelvin for the k value, thermal conductance of air perhaps?
Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.
 
  • #39
Chestermiller said:
Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.

That's perfect; my values are coming out longer than the original equation I had for time, thank very much for all the help and sorry for my maths
 
  • #40
Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like k(Ta-To)?
 
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  • #41
Modrisco89 said:
Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like k(Ta-To)?
The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.
 
  • #42
Modrisco89 said:
Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like T(0)-Ta?
Chestermiller said:
The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.
Ya I thought that made sense, I'll have to double triple check my maths and find out why the LTM is not working for me, thanks

Marking as solved
 

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