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Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
This discussion focuses on calculating the time required to heat a closed vessel of water, utilizing specific heat capacity, density, and heat capacity values. The user employs the formula t = C(ΔT)/power, where C is the heat capacity, ΔT is the temperature difference, and power is the heating element's rating (25 kW). The conversation evolves to include Newton's law of cooling, leading to the differential equation (ρV c + C)(dT/dt) = Q̇ - k(T - Ta), where ρ is the water density, V is the volume, c is the specific heat capacity, and k is the heat loss coefficient. The correct approach involves understanding thermal inertia and the heat transfer dynamics between the vessel and its surroundings.
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Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practiceChestermiller said:Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$
Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.Modrisco89 said:Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practice
I was told by lecturer that It can solve any DE
Chestermiller said:Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.
The surface area times the thermal conductivity of air does not have the proper units.Modrisco89 said:Must be my maths is the major issue here, listen thanks so much for your help, I'm coming with realistic values on excel so it's looking good, I took the surface area of the tank and multiplied it by the thermal conductility of air and it's working out alright
Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.Modrisco89 said:Looks like I'm not out tench yet, so I'm assuming it should be in watts per kelvin for the k value, thermal conductance of air perhaps?
Chestermiller said:Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.
The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.Modrisco89 said:Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like k(Ta-To)?
Modrisco89 said:Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like T(0)-Ta?
Ya I thought that made sense, I'll have to double triple check my maths and find out why the LTM is not working for me, thanksChestermiller said:The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.