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Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
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Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Modrisco89 said:I think I finally got it, I'll shoot myself if this is wrong:
$$T(t) = \frac{\dot{Q}+kT_a+CT_0}{k}(1-e^{\frac{-kt}{C}}$$
Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practiceChestermiller said:Get your gun out. I get $$T=T_0+\left[\frac{\dot{Q}}{k}+(T_a-T_0)\right](1-e^{-\frac{kt}{C}})$$
Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.Modrisco89 said:Oh man, definitely getting the gun, assuming that the laplace transform method is illegal for that DE? That's what I used perhaps that wasn't good practice
I was told by lecturer that It can solve any DE
Chestermiller said:Certainly Laplae Transform can handle that equation.
The surface area times the thermal conductivity of air does not have the proper units.Modrisco89 said:Must be my maths is the major issue here, listen thanks so much for your help, I'm coming with realistic values on excel so it's looking good, I took the surface area of the tank and multiplied it by the thermal conductility of air and it's working out alright
Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.Modrisco89 said:Looks like I'm not out tench yet, so I'm assuming it should be in watts per kelvin for the k value, thermal conductance of air perhaps?
Chestermiller said:Start with a value of k equal to the surface area times 10 ##\frac{W}{m^2.C}##.
The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.Modrisco89 said:Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like k(Ta-To)?
Modrisco89 said:Can I ask one question, when you solved that DE, what were your initial conditions? I assumed it to be T(0) would it be something else? like T(0)-Ta?
Ya I thought that made sense, I'll have to double triple check my maths and find out why the LTM is not working for me, thanksChestermiller said:The initial condition is ##T=T_0## at time t = 0.