How long does it take to heat up a material? Solar Energy.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the time required to heat materials using solar energy, particularly in the context of thermal energy storage. Participants explore how long materials retain heat and the factors influencing these processes, including specific heat capacity and heat transfer mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the time it takes to heat materials and how long they retain energy, specifically molten salts, using sunlight.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of specific heat capacity as essential for understanding the energy required to heat materials.
  • There is a discussion on calculating the time to heat a substance using the formula Q=mcT, but uncertainty remains about how to account for energy loss during heating.
  • Participants note that the heat transfer environment, including convection, conduction, and radiation, significantly affects how long a substance holds its energy.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of thermal conductivity in determining how heat transfers within a material.
  • Another participant suggests that temperature-dependent properties of materials can be found in published literature, although availability may vary.
  • Resources such as ASTM and engineering toolbox are mentioned as potential sources for material properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the factors affecting heating time and energy retention, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on specific calculations or methodologies.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their calculations due to the complexity of heat transfer mechanisms and the variability of specific heat values with temperature.

StillDumb
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I was wondering how long it takes to heat up materials. And how long will they hold their energy?

Say for like thermal energy storage, how long does it take to heat up molten salts or other substances with sunlight? I guess I could just use Q=mcT and divide by time and then solve for time, but how do you calculate how much energy is radiated away while you are heating the substance? And how do you calculate how long a substance will hold its energy, or how fast it will radiate away its energy?

Also, I'm using large temperature ranges and was wondering how the specific heat values change with temperature. I would like to get as accurate results as possible.
 
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StillDumb said:
I was wondering how long it takes to heat up materials. And how long will they hold their energy?

The measure of how much energy is required to heat a material is called it's "specific heat capacity." Wikipedia Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity

How long they hold their energy will depend on the heat transfer environment around them.

StillDumb said:
Say for like thermal energy storage, how long does it take to heat up molten salts or other substances with sunlight? I guess I could just use Q=mcT and divide by time and then solve for time,

On the first order it's basically a heat transfer calculation where you calculate the total thermal mass, and then use the amount of power into solve time.

StillDumb said:
but how do you calculate how much energy is radiated away while you are heating the substance? And how do you calculate how long a substance will hold its energy, or how fast it will radiate away its energy?

That depends on a lot of other factors, all part of heat transfer. You need to know something about the air around it (convection), what it's attached to (conduction), and what it's surrounded by (radiation).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

StillDumb said:
Also, I'm using large temperature ranges and was wondering how the specific heat values change with temperature. I would like to get as accurate results as possible.

Depending on the material, properties as a function of temperature are available in published literature (likely) or possibly free online (unlikely, unless it's a fluid). My heat transfer textbook has a lot of temperature dependent material properties for common engineering materials like metals (aluminum, steel, titanium, copper, etc.) and building materials (cement, wood, etc.).

ASTM should have what you're looking for: www.astm.org
 
Also, the thermal conductivity of the material of the object itself is very relevant. Even with 'forced cooling', keeping the outside of the object very cold, the core could be maintaining a high temperature until the heat has had time to transfer to the surface. (Think of cooking the Christmas turkey - same thing but the other way round).
 
There is a site that has a lot of useful information. Search: engineering toolbox. There is a lot of information on properties of many different materials. The work being done in creating insulating ceramic coatings should be interesting to you also.
 
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