How many LEDs from fixed supply

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of powering multiple LEDs rated at 20mA and 3 volts from a fixed DC supply voltage of 110 volts, with a maximum current supply of 20mA. Participants explore calculations, safety considerations, and alternative approaches.

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  • One participant calculates that 36 LEDs can be powered, assuming no voltage drop across a resistor.
  • Another participant suggests that more LEDs can be powered, but they would be dimmer.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to account for the voltage drop across a series resistor, proposing a calculation that results in 27 LEDs in series with a 1500 ohm resistor.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of using 110VDC, questioning the source and measurement of the voltage.
  • Variability in the voltage drop across individual LEDs is noted, indicating that not all LEDs will have the same brightness, which could affect the overall performance.
  • The importance of using a current-limiting resistor or device is highlighted, with a recommendation for a 1 watt resistor based on power calculations.
  • Participants mention the existence of switching LED string driver ICs as an alternative solution.
  • One participant questions whether the power supply is actually a 20mA current source that can operate up to 100V.

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Participants express differing views on the number of LEDs that can be powered and the implications of using a high voltage supply. There is no consensus on the best approach or the safety of the proposed configurations.

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Participants note the importance of considering the voltage drop across each LED and the variability in LED characteristics, which could impact the overall circuit performance. The discussion also highlights the need for safety precautions when working with high voltages.

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How many led's 20ma at 3 volt can one run from a fixed supply voltage of 110 volt dc and a maximum supply of 20ma? I come up with 36.
 
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You can power more, but then they'll be dimmer.
 
You would have to include the voltage drop across a series resistor.

A rule of thumb is to allow 25% of the supply for a resistor.
So 25% of 110 volts is 27.5 volts.
A resistor dropping 27.5 volts with 20 mA flowing in it would have a resistance of 1375 ohms.
You can't buy these, so you could use 1500 ohms.

Assuming 1375 ohms, this leaves 82.5 volts for the LEDs.
Divide by 3 to get 27.5 LEDs.

Call it 27 LEDs in series with a 1500 ohm resistor.

If you decided to try this, beware of high voltages. You can use them, but obviously the wires and connections must be covered before you apply power.
Also 110 volts DC is not the same as 110 volts AC which comes from wall outlets in some countries.
 
1. saying 110VDC makes me suspicious. What is the source of your 110VDC, and have you measured it. (just checking)
WHy 110VDC and a single series string rather than a lower voltage and multiple strings? (safer, etc)

2. The voltage drop across each diode can be very different. That is, not all devices are identical. And not all will be the same brightness.
The spec sheet may have typical and worst case numbers which illustrates the issue. Across 30 LEDs this can be significant.

3. A series resistor (as vk6kro said) or other current limiting device is important because of the device variation. 20ma * 27.5V = 0.55W, so get a 1 watt resistor.
Here is a current source example: http://www.instructables.com/id/Power-LED-s---simplest-light-with-constant-current/

4. There are switching LED string driver IC's. http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/design-note/dn461f.pdf, for example
 
+1 to that.

Are you sure the power supply isn't really a 20mA current source that will work up to 100V ?
 

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