How many Newtons of force would kill a person?

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The discussion revolves around the question of how much force, measured in Newtons, would be lethal to a person. Participants explore various factors influencing the impact of force, including the nature of the object causing the force, the area of impact, and the context of the force application. The conversation touches on theoretical considerations, practical implications, and the complexities of measuring force in relation to human injury.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the force exerted by the atmosphere is significant, but the actual force required to cause harm depends on various factors, including the area of impact and the nature of the object.
  • Others argue that there is no general answer to the question of lethal force, as different objects (e.g., bullets versus large, flexible balls) can produce different outcomes despite varying forces.
  • One participant emphasizes that damage is not solely determined by force but rather by the differences in force and the context of the impact.
  • Several contributions highlight the importance of momentum and energy over force in understanding impacts, with examples illustrating how different scenarios can lead to varying degrees of injury.
  • There are discussions about the role of time in the impact process, with some suggesting that the duration of force application can significantly affect the outcome.
  • Some participants question the feasibility of surviving extreme accelerations, referencing theoretical scenarios and practical experiences, while others clarify misconceptions about speed and acceleration limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the relationship between force and injury is complex and context-dependent. Multiple competing views remain regarding the factors that contribute to harm, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on a specific force threshold for lethality.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining force in the context of impacts, including the dependence on definitions of force, the variability of injury outcomes based on impact conditions, and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical relationships involved in these scenarios.

  • #31
Based on typical ballistics numbers, 100 J seems to be the minimum lethal kinetic energy. This is roughly equivalent to a .22 long bullet (40 grains) from a rifle at 1000 fps. The next level of damage is at about 1000 J, which corresponds to a .357 jacketed soft-point (158 grains) bullet at 1400 fps. This is fairly lethal (depending exactly where it hit) to unprotected personnel. Lastly, something around 4000 J is sufficient to penetrate body armor. This is something like a 7.62 full metal jacket or .30-06 armor piercing bullet (166 grains) at 2750 fps. Roughly dividing this into three broad categories:

Light (.22 cal): 100 J.
Moderate (.357 cal.): 1000 J.
Heavy(.30-06 cal): 4000 J.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/es310/dam_crit/dam_crit.htm

It appears that 1000J is required to get a Psubk of .5.

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  • #32
At 3 secs, Force exerted is 154 N.(Assume sustained before then), then at 3.02 secs, force reaches 501262.875 N. At 3.05 secs, force has decreased to 47162 N and decreases until at 4.1 secs force is 712 N and stabilizes. Assume body is 100 lbs.
 
  • #33
Flyingwing12 said:
Is there a possibility that a large enough object could strike this planet at 1000+/- mph and stop us?

It would be a good exercise to try calculating how large a mass would be needed to produce that effect - conservation of momentum is all you need. Before you try it, be careful to define what you mean by "stop" and "moving at 1000 mph", as both have to relative to something - the sun might be a good choice.
 
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  • #35
Willt125 said:
At 3 secs, Force exerted is 154 N.(Assume sustained before then), then at 3.02 secs, force reaches 501262.875 N. At 3.05 secs, force has decreased to 47162 N and decreases until at 4.1 secs force is 712 N and stabilizes. Assume body is 100 lbs.
You have replied to a 2 year dead thread and I don't see a question in there. Is there something you need help with?
 

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