How much AC is there in a car battery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the usable electricity capacity of a car battery, particularly in the context of converting DC power to AC power for various applications. Participants explore the implications of battery specifications, conversion efficiency, and practical experiences with battery usage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates that an 800 cca 12 volt car battery can provide about 1/2 kilowatt hour of usable electricity after conversion, based on a calculation of 45 amp-hours at 12 volts.
  • Another participant references specifications for a 12V DC to AC converter, noting its rated power of 300W and maximum power of 350W, which may influence the usable output from the battery.
  • A participant shares personal experience with using car batteries for electric model aircraft, indicating that deep discharging can significantly reduce battery lifespan and suggesting the use of a float charger to prolong battery life.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of avoiding deep discharges and suggests considering alternative battery types that are more resilient to such usage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the usable capacity of car batteries and the effects of deep discharging. There is no consensus on the best practices for battery usage or the implications of conversion efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss assumptions regarding battery capacity and conversion efficiency without resolving the impact of inefficiencies on the actual usable power. The discussion also highlights the limitations of lead-acid batteries in deep discharge scenarios.

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I am thinking there is about 1/2 kilowatt hour of usable electricity in an 800 cca 12 volt car battery after conversion is this right?
 
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If you look at the specs for these devices they are about 300w

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=12v+dc+to+ac+converter&tag=pfamazon01-20

Product description
Size:300WConverts DC 12V to AC 110V

• Dual AC Outlets
• Dual USB Ports
• This product is for DC 12V only, do not apply to DC 24V.

Specification:

• Output voltage: 110V ~ 120V AC
• Input voltage: DC 12V (10 ~ 15V)
• Rated Power: 300W
• Max. Power: 350W
• Peak Power: 600W
• USB Output: 5V/2.1A
• Ambient operating temperature range: 14°F - 140°F(-10°C - 40°C)

Safety Instruction

1. This product is for DC 12V only, do not apply to DC 24V.
2. DO NOT use with any appliance with dangerous voltage warning.
3. Plug the cord into your car AFTER the car starts
4. Do not leave the power inverter in the ON position while your car is off.

Attentions After Use:

1. Turn Off the power of the appliances
2. Pull out the AC/USB plug from the AC/USB sockets
3. Pull out the cigarette lighter after use
 
John1397 said:
I am thinking there is about 1/2 kilowatt hour of usable electricity in an 800 cca 12 volt car battery after conversion is this right?
According to google, a standard car battery has a capacity of about 45 amp-hours. Not including inefficiency of conversion, that's 45*12/1000=0.5 kWh.

So yeah...
 
When I started flying electric powered model aircraft I used ordinary car batteries to charge the flight pack. I managed to kill a few car batteries by partly discharging them and forgetting to recharge them for a few days. Used like that they only lasted about a season/year. Even deep discharge batteries weren't much better. Eventually I got a car battery charger with a float setting and got quite religious about putting the car battery back on charge as soon as I got home and leaving on the float until it was needed. Used like that they lasted about three times longer.

In short my advice would be to avoid deep discharging the battery and try and keep it on a float charger when not in use.
 
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CWatters said:
In short my advice would be to avoid deep discharging the battery
Alternatively use a different type of battery that is more resistant to abuse and doesn't mind being discharged. Lead acid is excellent in many ways but the deep discharge problem can be a real problem. Once they're dead they're really dead.
 
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