How much air is required to transfer liquid?

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The discussion revolves around determining the amount of air required to transfer liquid from one tank to another, considering factors such as pressure and volume definitions. The context includes theoretical and practical aspects of fluid dynamics and pressure systems.

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  • One participant inquires about the amount of air needed to transfer liquid between tanks, mentioning the need for a sketch to illustrate the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the volume of air required will equal the volume of the displaced liquid but emphasizes the need for pressurization and the importance of defining whether the volume is pressurized or atmospheric.
  • This same participant notes that the pressure required will depend on the density of the liquid and the height of the liquid column, with specific reference to the tank's geometry.
  • A later reply adds that the area above the liquid must also be pressurized, indicating that the volume at pressure will encompass the entire vessel.

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Participants express similar views regarding the relationship between air volume and displaced liquid, but there are nuances in how pressure and volume are defined and calculated. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple considerations presented.

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Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding pressure conditions or the specific geometry of the tanks, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also lacks a consensus on the exact methodology for determining the required air volume.

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Hi all,

I am trying to wrap my head around how much air is needed to transfer liquid from one tank to another tank. Here is a sketch of the problem

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The valves at the bottom of the first tank opens up, and air is transferred to the first vessel to transfer the liquid completely to the second tank. The second tank has a vent to atmosphere. How do I figure out how much air is needed to complete the transfer process?

Thank you
 
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the volume of air will be the same as the displaced liquid, though it will need to be pressurized, and depending on how you define the volume (pressurized volume or atmospheric volume) you'll need to account for that.
the pressure will depend on the density of the liquid, and the height of the liquid will be from the bottom of the top "elbow" to the bottom of the tank (unless you drain the bottom elbow as well)
 
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Rx7man said:
the volume of air will be the same as the displaced liquid, though it will need to be pressurized, and depending on how you define the volume (pressurized volume or atmospheric volume) you'll need to account for that.
the pressure will depend on the density of the liquid, and the height of the liquid will be from the bottom of the top "elbow" to the bottom of the tank (unless you drain the bottom elbow as well)
Thank you so much! I think I got it.
 
Oh, I just noticed something else.. the area above the liquid will need to be pressurized as well, so thus the volume (at pressure) will of course be that of the entire vessel
 

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