How Much Does the Envelope Cost in the Riddle?

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The discussion centers on sharing and solving mathematical riddles. The initial riddle involves determining the cost of an envelope when a stamp and envelope together total $1.10, with the stamp costing $1 more than the envelope. Participants debate the correct solution to a handshake problem, concluding that with 6 people, there are 15 unique handshakes, not 30, due to the nature of combinatorial counting. A new riddle is introduced about inviting people to a party to ensure at least three mutual friends or strangers, prompting further clarification and discussion on the wording. The conversation emphasizes the importance of precise definitions in mathematical problems.
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1. This thread is about mathematic riddles that we can all share, I will post one riddle and the next person list the solution and a new mathematic riddles as well (if possible), here is mine:
If a stamp and an envelope cost a dollar and a dime (10 cents), and the stamp costs a dollar more than the envelope, how much does the envelope cost?




2. Find the Solution



3. Post a New Mathematic Riddle
 
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5 cents
 
C(6,2)=15
 
brainmetrix said:
I don't think that's the right answer, anyone?

Try to count it. May be it will help you to accept that correct answer.
 
How about, each can do 2 at the same time, so 6 simultaneous handshakes can happen at once?
Otherwise that can do quite man, pretty much till they start to die off.
 
brainmetrix said:
I don't think that's the right answer, anyone?

15 is the right answer. n/2 * (n-1), where n is the number of participants. The -1 is to account for the participants not shaking their own hand.
 
Couperin said:
15 is the right answer. n/2 * (n-1), where n is the number of participants. The -1 is to account for the participants not shaking their own hand.

This is one-half of a 6x6 matrix with the diagonal center elements removed.
Now, if they all spit at each other, how many spits are there?
 
it's 30.
there are 6 guys, and they each shake hands with 5 other people.
so for the first guy; he shakes hands with 5 people, meaning there are 5 handshakes for that one guy.
for the 2nd guy, there are another 5,
for the 3rd there are another 5,
and so on.
so you do 6 x 5, which gives you 30.
5 handshakes for each of the 6 men.

butttt, i guess it can depend on whether or not a man can shake the same man's hand twice.
then the answer would be less, but since it didn't include that in the riddle i won't include it while solving.
 
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Actually, in the original problem, "shaking hands with each other" usually means two people shake hands only once. The idea behind C(6,2) is that a handshake between person A and person B is the same as a handshake between person B and person A, and should be counted as only one handshake (hence the division by 2).

Another way to think about it, going along with your line of thought, is that the first guy can shake hands with 5 different people. The second guy can shake hands with only 4 different people, because his handshake with the first guy was already counted. The third guy can only shake hands with 3 different people, because his handshake with the first and the second guys have already been counted, and so forth.

Thus, we have not 5+5+5+5+5+5 = P(6,2) = 30 but 5+4+3+2+1+0 = C(6,2) = 15.

Of course, if the problem really is a brain teaser, it could have some other senseless answer. Who knows?
 
  • #11
15 is the correct answer. 5 handshakes 4...3...2...1 = 15
 
  • #12
its 15
6 people
guy no 6 shakes hands with 5
guy no 5 shakes hands with 4 [he's already done no.6]
guy no 4 shakes hands with 3 [he's already done no.6, and no.5) etc etc
...3 2
...2 1

thats 5+4+3+2+1 = 15

whats the next puzzle?

ok here's an oldie but a goodie

how many people do you have to invite to a party such that:
AT least 3 will be mutual friends
OR at lest 3 will be mutual strangers?

[mutual friends means A knows B and C, B knows C and A, C know A and B]
same difference for mutual strangers!
 
  • #13
um i think you need more wording here... by what you gave i would say i could invite 3 people because 3 could be mutual friends OR they could just be 3 mutual strangers either way it could satisfy your problem based on your guidlines... did i miss something?
 
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