How Much Energy to Position Four Charges at Square Corners?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to position four positive charges at the corners of a square. The charges are of equal magnitude, and the problem involves concepts from electrostatics, particularly electric potential and potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric potential using the formula V = kQ/r, but questions whether to consider diagonal distances. Another participant suggests focusing on potential energy instead of potential and hints at the process of bringing charges from infinity. There is also a discussion about calculating the potential at each vertex as charges are assembled.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the calculation of potential energy and potential. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct approach to calculating potential energy between charge pairs and the summation of potentials as charges are added. There is an ongoing exploration of the order of assembly for the charges.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to account for interactions between multiple charges and the implications of assembling charges in a specific order. There is a mention of confusion regarding the second part of the question, indicating a need for clarity on the problem requirements.

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I'm not sure that I really understand this question:

How much energy is needed to place four positive charges, each of magnitude +5.0mC, at the vertices of a square of side 2.5cm?


what I was thinking is that V = kQ/r

And since all the charges are equal, and the same distance apart V1=V2=V3=V4 = (9x10^9)(5x10^-3C)/2.5x10^-2m = 1.8x10^9V

Vnet = V1 +V2 + V3 + V4 = 7.2x10^9V

However I haven't taken into account the diaganols - do I need to?
 
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What you want to add is potential energy, not potential. The energy needed to bring two identical charges from infinity to a distance r apart is:
U = kQ^2/r

Hint: Imagine the four charges being brought from infinity, one at a time.
 
Ok I think I got it I added the potenial energy between each of the 6 charge sets and got 4.9x10^7J, hopefully that sounds about right.
I think I was getting things confused with the second part of the question:

Choose one way of assembling the charges and calculate the potential at each empty vertex as this set of charges is assembled. Clearly descrive the order of assembly.

Would I be correct to use V =kQ/r for this part of the question?
 
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flower76 said:
Would I be correct to use V =kQ/r for this part of the question?

Yes, you should sum all of the individual potentials, for example;

V_{total} = \frac{kQ_{1}}{r_{1}} + ... + \frac{kQ_{n}}{r_{n}}

Where rn is the distance from the charge Qn to the empty vertex.

~H
 

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