How Much Power Is Needed to Generate an EMP?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the power requirements for generating an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) and the calculations involved in inducing a voltage in a target device. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of EMP generation, including the necessary voltage, current, and the physical principles governing electromagnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a basic method for generating an EMP using capacitors, transformers, and an antenna, seeking to understand the power needed to induce a specific EMF in a wire.
  • The same participant expresses confusion about the relevant equations and concepts, particularly regarding the relationship between EMF, magnetic fields, and velocity.
  • Another participant criticizes the initial request for simplified explanations, arguing that accurate equations are essential for meaningful discussion.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the criticism and requests a more in-depth exploration of the topic while apologizing for the previous tone.
  • A final post indicates that discussions about dangerous activities, such as generating EMPs, are against forum rules, leading to the closure of the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of simplifying complex physics concepts. While one participant seeks a basic understanding, another emphasizes the necessity of using correct equations, leading to a lack of consensus on how to approach the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by the participants' varying levels of understanding and the complexity of the physics involved. There are unresolved questions regarding the calculations and principles necessary for generating an EMP.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the theoretical aspects of electromagnetic fields, those curious about EMPs, and students seeking to understand the relationship between voltage, current, and electromagnetic induction.

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Hey guys,

I am new here, first post! and have only just completed Yr12 physics so only have a basic understanding of this stuff so go easy if I'm wrong about anything.

So basically the idea of an EMP is to induce a high enough voltage in a target device/any wire in order to blow out/damage the circuitry thereby rendering the device useless. So my idea is the same as any other that has been presented to produce this effect, however I really just want to get to grips with the magnitude of power that is required to generate a change in flux large enough to produce this damage. So basically, charge up a bank of capacitors --> release in series --> pass through step down transformer --> antenna/wire/coil. That's my basic understanding of it :P

So assuming a circuit in a cell phone or other smallish device running on 3-5V let's say that I would like to produce an EMF of 6V in a wire in this device which we will speculate to be 10mm long and 2m away from source of this wave of energy. How would I calculate the required current to pass through a 1m length of wire/antenna in order to produce the necessary strength of field?

I am rather lost at the moment, playing around with EMF=BvL (assuming perpendicular to field) and EMF= change in flux/change in time and EMF=nBA2PIf etc. I really don't see how to work it out as most equations at my level of knowledge in physics tend to incorporate force in some way. I am also confused about velocity, as assuming that the target wire is stationary, then I can only see velocity being achieved from the movement of the wave produced over the wire (which is the speed of light?).
please don't go into 100% correct equations using integrals etc for correct magnetic field strength etc etc I am really chasing a basic understanding of the numbers involved and cannot be bothered :P

Thanks for any help guys, D
 
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d5ive said:
please don't go into 100% correct equations using integrals etc for correct magnetic field strength etc etc I am really chasing a basic understanding of the numbers involved and cannot be bothered :P

Firstly, if it isn't "100% correct equation" it is useless and doesn't belong here.

"cannot be bothered" - a poor attitude and if you want a basic understanding I recommend using wikipedia. People aren't going to waste their time posting for you if they don't feel you care about what they write.

I don't mean to sound too harsh, but you come here with a fairly well written question and relatively competent post overall and then finish with this rubbish at the end.

Don't assume that the subject can be reduced to anything meaningful without the "correct equations". Those equations explain the numbers.
 
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Hi JarednJames, I apologise for that last part of my post, I realized I shouildn't have written what I did on a forum named "Physics Forums" as physics is all about striving for the correct equation to explain everything.

Perhaps you will allow me to re write that part: Using the basic understanding of the subject that a year twelve student would have, can someone please help me understand the situation? However, now seeing you point, feel free to go into as much depth as required.

Again, apologies.
 
Sorry, discussion of dangerous activities is against the PF Rules (see the link at the top of the page).

Thread closed.
 

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