How Significant Is Power Loss at Electrical Junctions with Movable Parts?

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The discussion revolves around the power loss and resistance encountered at electrical junctions involving movable parts and brushes, particularly in the context of electric motors and mechatronic systems. Participants explore various solutions for minimizing power loss while considering design constraints related to space and movement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the extent of resistance and voltage drop at junctions made with movable parts and brushes, noting that electrical trains utilize brushes without significant power loss.
  • Another participant suggests that, assuming no arcing occurs, the junction behaves like a regular resistor, with power loss described by the equation P=I^2*R, highlighting the benefits of lower currents.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that carbon or graphite brushes may be less reliable and bulkier compared to alternative solutions, such as using coils or flexible conductors to carry power to moving parts.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand better alternatives to carbon brushes and considers the trade-offs between using brushes and flexible wires, weighing power loss against spatial efficiency.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of various materials and configurations, with suggestions to avoid passing current through metal bearings and to consider flexible conductors for better performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the reliability and efficiency of brushes versus flexible conductors, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to minimize power loss at electrical junctions.

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Participants mention potential issues such as arcing, reliability of materials, and the impact of design choices on space and efficiency, but these aspects remain unresolved and depend on specific applications and configurations.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, mechatronics, and design of movable electrical junctions may find this discussion relevant.

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Good day. I was wondering what the extent of resistance/voltage drop occurs over junctions that are made off movable parts and brushes. Electrical trains tend to get the voltage from brushes so it can't be too great, also brushed motors.

In my case I was planning to run an electric brushless motor, but it is situated on a moving part, so either it was making long wires that can bend and twist a little, but that takes some space which would make my mechatronic machine larger. But then ofcourse I figured a simple coal brush or whatever like they use in brushed motors, and since this moving part will be moving far less, slower then in a brushed motor, it should last, my only concern left was weather there was a great amount of power loss in the junction between the brush and the moving part.

I made a quick sketch of the concept, the moving part moves +/- 30 deg, around an axis.
 

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Assuming you don't get arcs, it is just a regular resistor: P=I^2*R
Lower currents (and therefore higher voltages for the same power) are better, but can lead to problems elsewhere.
 
A carbon / graphite brush will be less reliable and more bulky than a coil shaped like the hair springs in a meter.
You can wind say a two turn coil of metal tape to carry power to the moving part.
I would consider cutting strips of 0.010” brass shim from a model shop. Size will depend on power.
Avoid passing current through metal bearings. It is better to use an extra flexible conductor.
 
Baluncore said:
A carbon / graphite brush will be less reliable and more bulky than a coil shaped like the hair springs in a meter.
You can wind say a two turn coil of metal tape to carry power to the moving part.
I would consider cutting strips of 0.010” brass shim from a model shop. Size will depend on power.
Avoid passing current through metal bearings. It is better to use an extra flexible conductor.

Thanks for the input,

I tried to get a mental picture of this but couldn't with my current education. Is there a name for what you are mentioning? Id gladly study a better solution than a carbon brush.

Also, a flexible conductor is a possibility, that is how the original concept was. I then recently have been leaning over to brushes due to advantages on size, a brushed solution takes less space then a flexing wire, my original concept had empty spaces for wires to move around in.

Brushed solution: possible power loss but less spacious

Flexing wire solution: efficient but space and engineering difficulties.
 

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