How to Calculate Acceleration in a Pulley System for Lifting an Engine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a car engine being lifted using a rope and pulley system. Participants explore two different configurations of the pulley system and analyze the forces involved, aiming to derive expressions for acceleration based on the mechanics of the systems.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario where a mechanic attempts to lift a 200kg engine using two different pulley configurations, questioning why the engine can be lifted in one case but not the other.
  • Another participant suggests drawing free body diagrams for both cases to analyze the forces acting on the engine and pulley systems, emphasizing the importance of using Newton's laws.
  • A participant clarifies that the acceleration of the engine is linear, not circular, and notes that tensions in the rope on either side of an ideal pulley are equal.
  • There is an indication that mechanical advantage plays a role in the ability to lift the engine in one configuration over the other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific calculations or the reasons behind the differences in lifting capability between the two configurations. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for free body diagrams and the application of Newton's laws, indicating that assumptions regarding the pulley systems (e.g., frictionless, massless) are relevant but not explicitly detailed in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A car mechanic wants to lift the engine from a car using a rope and pulley
arrangement. He considers two options, shown in Figure Q1a and Figure Q1b. The car engine
has a mass, m, of 200kg, and the maximum force that the mechanic can exert on the rope, P, is
1500N. Use a free-body diagram approach to derive expressions for the acceleration
experienced by the car engine in each case. Use these expressions to calculate the vertical
acceleration of the engine if the mechanic exerts the maximum force on the rope. You may
neglect the mass of the pulley systems, and assume that they are frictionless.

Why can the man lift the engine in case b)(right of the figure). but not a)(left of figure)?


Homework Equations



\sum= Fy
\sum=Fx

The Attempt at a Solution



this is a dynamics question. i think wat i would do is find the sum of forces in the X and Y direction. however i am not sure. either the or it would be using circular accelertion.

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soz for the rubbish drawing
 
That is mechanical advantage working for the mechanic. Draw a free body diagram of the engine in case a; then draw a free body diagram of the engine and pulley in case b. Use Newton's laws. Acceleration of the engine is not 'circular', it is 'linear' (it moves and accelerates straight up, if it is to move at all). Note that tensions in the rope on either side of an ideal pulley are the same.
 

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