How to calculate bridge deformation based on "design"?

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This discussion focuses on calculating the maximum load a bridge can support before deformation or collapse, specifically using balsa wood in various designs such as truss, suspension, and arch. The key concepts include ultimate tensile strength and stress, which are critical for understanding material performance under load. It is established that testing materials in a lab for tensile strength is more reliable than assessing complex structures like bridges, which introduce numerous variables. The discussion emphasizes the importance of standardized testing methods to derive accurate strength characteristics for materials.

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  • Understanding of ultimate tensile strength and stress
  • Basic knowledge of bridge design types (truss, suspension, arch)
  • Familiarity with material properties, specifically balsa wood
  • Concepts of stress and strain in materials
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  • Research tensile testing methods for materials, focusing on balsa wood
  • Learn about the impact of grain direction and moisture content on wood strength
  • Explore structural analysis techniques for different bridge designs
  • Investigate standardized testing protocols for engineering materials
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Students in engineering or physics, particularly those studying structural design and material properties, as well as educators and hobbyists interested in bridge construction and testing methodologies.

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I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it does not. I am trying to find the most amount of mass a bridge can hold before deforming/collapsing. I was trying to factor stress/ultimate tensile strength into it in a way. Is there a way I can calculate ultimate tensile strength and/or stress if I'm creating different designs of bridges using balsa wood? I'm trying to find if a certain design of bridge (truss, suspension, arch, etc.) affects how much load it can carry or how much load a bridge design can carry before collapsing.

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Purpose: I want to find the amount of stress or ultimate tensile strength of different designs of bridges.
 
David Goldman said:

Homework Statement


I'm not sure if this belongs here, sorry if it does not. I am trying to find the most amount of mass a bridge can hold before deforming/collapsing. I was trying to factor stress/ultimate tensile strength into it in a way. Is there a way I can calculate ultimate tensile strength and/or stress if I'm creating different designs of bridges using balsa wood? I'm trying to find if a certain design of bridge (truss, suspension, arch, etc.) affects how much load it can carry or how much load a bridge design can carry before collapsing.

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What reading have you been doing about this so far? What grade/year are you in school? Since this is for schoolwork, does your textbook go over this at all? :smile:
 
I have been reading about tensile strength , however, I noticed it was only for materials, not based on different designs. I am currently in my senior year of high school. This is not really explained in my physics textbook as it pertains more to engineering. I read about stress, strain, and tensile strength, and I noticed that they only apply to materials? I wanted to see if I could calculate the stress, strain, or tensile strength based on different designs of bridges of the same material (balsa wood) instead of measuring how many weights each design could hold until it collapses. Sadly, I could not find much on this or the equations needed to calculate the, if available. Thanks for the response!
 
David Goldman said:
I have been reading about tensile strength , however, I noticed it was only for materials, not based on different designs. I am currently in my senior year of high school. This is not really explained in my physics textbook as it pertains more to engineering. I read about stress, strain, and tensile strength, and I noticed that they only apply to materials? I wanted to see if I could calculate the stress, strain, or tensile strength based on different designs of bridges of the same material (balsa wood) instead of measuring how many weights each design could hold until it collapses. Sadly, I could not find much on this or the equations needed to calculate the, if available. Thanks for the response!

It's much cheaper (not to mention safer) to test materials in a lab to find out what their ultimate tensile strength is, or their stress v. strain charactertistics.

Doing such testing using complex structures, like bridges for instance, introduces too many unknowns into the process of measuring things like tensile strength. The pieces tested in a strength lab use a simple geometry and have standardized dimensions for things like length, diameter, etc., which makes calculations very simple and reduces the possibility of making errors. By testing only a single piece, it is clear when failure occurs, which may not be so apparent in a complex structure like a bridge.

This article discusses tensile tests and how many engineering materials are tested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing

The information derived from such tests is then used to design a particular structure, say a bridge or a skyscraper.

A further word. The strength characteristics of materials like balsa wood are dependent on several factors which may not be present in metals. The direction of the grain relative to the application of the load, the moisture content, and the species of wood all factor into what strength characteristics you will obtain. Metals don't have these limitations.
 
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