What is the diameter of the cylindrical rod

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the diameter of a cylindrical copper rod subjected to a specific load, elongation, and material properties such as Young's modulus and yield strength. The context includes the application of stress and strain relationships in material mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between yield strength and Young's modulus, questioning the necessity of yield strength for solving the problem. There are attempts to derive the diameter using stress and strain formulas, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided calculations and suggested formulas for determining the diameter. There is an ongoing examination of the results, with some participants indicating discrepancies in their answers and encouraging each other to verify their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific values for force, elongation, and material properties, while also converting units to SI. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the square root in the calculations, which affects the final results.

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Homework Statement



A cylindrical rod of copper (E = 110GPa) having a yield strength of 240MPa is to be subjected to a load of 6660N. If the length of the rod is 380mm, what must be the diameter to allow an elongation of 0.5mm.

Homework Equations


E = stress/ strain
stress = Force/Area ; Area = pi*(diameter)/4
strain = elongation/original length
E= young's modulus = 110GPa = 110 * 10^9Pa
yield strength = 240MPa = 240 * 10^6Pa
Force = 6660N
elongation = 0.5mm
original length = 380mm

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm trying to understand relation between yield strength and young modulus.So far all i got from google is that it is the max stress a body goes through before plastic deformation occurs, but how do i plug that in anywhere? Thanks
 
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You don't really need the yield strength to solve this problem. Young's modulus is all you need.
 
phyzguy said:
You don't really need the yield strength to solve this problem. Young's modulus is all you need.
Thanks, was wondering why it was there, I tried another go at the problem, by plugging in values and got (0.586 * 10^-4)m. Don't know how correct that is?
 
Perodamh said:
Thanks, was wondering why it was there, I tried another go at the problem, by plugging in values and got (0.586 * 10^-4)m. Don't know how correct that is?

Show us your work so we can see how you got there. then we can make meaningful comments.
 
phyzguy said:
Show us your work so we can see how you got there. then we can make meaningful comments.
E = stress / strain
stress = F / A
Area = pi*(diameter)^2/4
strain= elongation/original length
making d subject of formula = sqrt(4*F*L/(E*pi*elongation))
plugging in values after conversion to S.I units gave 58617.25 * 10^-9m which is same as 0.586 * 10^-4m
 
Well, I agree with this, "making d subject of formula = sqrt(4*F*L/(E*pi*elongation))", but that's not the answer I got, so one of us made a mistake. I suggest you check your numbers
 
Perodamh said:
E = stress / strain
stress = F / A
Area = pi*(diameter)^2/4
strain= elongation/original length
making d subject of formula = sqrt(4*F*L/(E*pi*elongation))
plugging in values after conversion to S.I units gave 58617.25 * 10^-9m which is same as 0.586 * 10^-4m
Seems too small. Did you forget to take the square root?
 
haruspex said:
Seems too small. Did you forget to take the square root?
phyzguy said:
Well, I agree with this, "making d subject of formula = sqrt(4*F*L/(E*pi*elongation))", but that's not the answer I got, so one of us made a mistake. I suggest you check your numbers
I skipped the square root part so uhm 0.765 * 10^-2
 
Perodamh said:
I skipped the square root part so uhm 0.765 * 10^-2

That's what I got. 7.65 mm.
 
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phyzguy said:
That's what I got. 7.65 mm.
Neat, thanks so much
 

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