How to Calculate Extension of a Rod with Varying Young's Modulus?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the extension of a rod with a varying Young's modulus. Participants explore different approaches to determine how to handle the variation in material properties along the length of the rod, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses doubt about simply adding Young's moduli for different sections of the rod to find the solution.
  • Another participant questions how to determine the approximate Young's modulus and the resulting stretch for specific segments of the rod.
  • There is a suggestion to find an equivalent Young's modulus for the rod, considering it has a triangular profile of varying modulus from one end to the other.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between tensile stress, strain, and displacement, referencing Hooke's law and its applicability given the non-uniform strain due to varying Young's modulus.
  • One participant proposes integrating the extension over small segments of the rod to account for the variation in Young's modulus.
  • Confusion arises regarding the calculation of Young's modulus at specific points along the rod, with a participant attempting to formulate an expression for E based on its linear variation.
  • Several participants emphasize the need for the original poster to engage more actively in the problem-solving process rather than seeking direct answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculate the extension of the rod. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective solution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the uniformity of strain and the specific definitions of Young's modulus at different points along the rod. The integration approach is suggested but not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


dl= PL/AE

The Attempt at a Solution


as you see here my youngs modulus E varies linearly. i doubt that adding up E1 &E2 wld give solution.. any help?
 
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What is the (approximate) Young's modulus in the first centimeter? How much will it get stretched?
What is the (approximate) Young's modulus in the last centimeter? How much will it get stretched?
Instead of calculating it centimeter by centimeter, how can you get an "exact" solution?
 
What is the tensile stress in the rod? Do you know the relationship between strain and displacement u?
 
mfb said:
Instead of calculating it centimeter by centimeter, how can you get an "exact" solution?
centimeter by centimeter?. well threre must be some other way, like its going to be triangular profile with one end E1 and other end E2.. is that possible to find equivalent E acting on rod ..
 
Chestermiller said:
What is the tensile stress in the rod? Do you know the relationship between strain and displacement u?
yes sir .tensile stress =P/A. and strain = dL/L. .by hookes law E=stress/strain giives dL= PL/AE
 
praveenpandiyan said:
centimeter by centimeter?. well threre must be some other way, like its going to be triangular profile with one end E1 and other end E2.. is that possible to find equivalent E acting on rod ..
The centimeter by centimeter calculation is not correct, but if you answer my questions it should give you an idea how the correct approach looks like.
It is not the first question I am helping at, I suggest that for a good reason.
 
praveenpandiyan said:
yes sir .tensile stress =P/A. and strain = dL/L. .by hookes law E=stress/strain giives dL= PL/AE
Your equation for the strain is valid only if it is uniform from one end of the rod to the other. In this problem, because E varies with position along the rod, the strain is not uniform from one end to the other. So you need to figure out how to handle a problem in which the strain is varying with position along the rod.

Let x represent axial position measured along the rod before the rod is placed under load. Let the end x = 0 be fixed, and let the end x = L be where the load P is applied. We are going to focus on one cross section of the rod at location x before the rod is placed under load. After the rod is placed under load, this same cross section has moved to a new axial location at x + u(x), where u(x) is the distance that the cross section originally at x has moved. We call u(x) the displacement of the cross section. Of course, since the end at x = 0 is fixed, u(0) = 0.

Now let's look at what happens to two closely neighboring adjacent cross sections of the rod that were initially located at x and at x + Δx. What was the original distance between these two cross sections? What is the distance between these same two cross sections after the load has been applied? What is the increase in distance between the two cross sections? What is the increase in distance divided by the original distance? What is the limit of this as Δx approaches zero?

Chet
 
well then the material vary at every point (as u said).. so i need to find extension at given small dx. and integrate from 0 to L . is that right
 
praveenpandiyan said:
well then the material vary at every point (as u said).. so i need to find extension at given small dx. and integrate from 0 to L . is that right
Yes. Just answer the questions I asked, and I'll get you to the answer.

Chet
 
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only problem I am facing is its E value .. at dx E= E1-((E2-E2)/L)*x .im bit confused.
 
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praveenpandiyan said:
only problem I am facing is its E value .. at dx E= E1-((E2-E2)/L)*x .im bit confused.
Like I said, just answer the questions I asked, and I'll get you to the answer.

Chet
 
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let original length be L ... but i have no idea how to find length btw consecutive section after load is applied.
 
  • #13
mfb said:
It is not the first question I am helping at, I suggest that for a good reason.
i didnot mean that way. i value you all. but i was in a hurry,, needed approach or formula that i miss.exams coming up.
 
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praveenpandiyan said:
i didnot mean that way. i value you all. but i was in a hurry,, needed approach or formula that i miss.exams coming up.
Several people have laid out an approach, but you need to come up with a way to use what they have said. We are not going to give you a formula that you can blindly plug numbers into.
 
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praveenpandiyan said:
let original length be L ... but i have no idea how to find length btw consecutive section after load is applied.

Distance between successive cross sections after load is applied =## [x + Δx + u(x+Δx)]-[x + u(x)] = Δx + u(x+Δx) - u(x)##

This is my last hint until I see some effort on your part.

Chet
 
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yea
Mark44 said:
Several people have laid out an approach, but you need to come up with a way to use what they have said. We are not going to give you a formula that you can blindly plug numbers into.
h .yeah ,.. I am seeing it ,anyway thanks
 
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praveenpandiyan said:
yea

h .yeah ,.. I am seeing it ,anyway thanks
Not so fast. So, please show us your solution. It's the least you can do, given that we spent so much of our (valuable) time trying to help you.

Chet
 

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