How to calculate initial pressure and temperature - adiabatic process

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The discussion revolves around calculating initial pressure and temperature in the context of an adiabatic process. Participants are attempting to find the work done during this process, but they face challenges due to missing initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the need for initial temperature or pressure to calculate work in an adiabatic process. There are inquiries about the specific adiabatic equations and their applicability. Some participants express confusion about working backwards from known final states to find initial conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their understanding of relevant equations and questioning the information provided. There is a focus on clarifying the use of final conditions and the implications for finding initial values, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific values for final volume, pressure, and temperature, while the initial conditions remain unknown. The ratio of specific heats is provided, but its role in the calculations is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement
Ratio from specific heats = 5/3

Initial volume = 0.814, final volume = 0.37, final pressure = 276000, final temperature is 297.273 K

Find Work
Relevant Equations
PV=nRT
Im confused on working backwards so to speak to find adiabatic work.

To find work for this adiabatic process, I either need to know the change in temperature OR the initial pressure (I think?).

The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.

I know the answer to this problem is -63000 J, just not sure how to get there.
 
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When you say adiabatic equations, what do mean?
 
Are you familiar with the equation $$PV^{\gamma}=Constant$$
 
JoeyBob said:
The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.
The adiabatic equations you pointed me to don't involve temperature. Can you find the value of ##K##?
 
JoeyBob said:
Homework Statement:: Ratio from specific heats = 5/3

Initial volume = 0.814, final volume = 0.37, final pressure = 276000, final temperature is 297.273 K

Find Work
Relevant Equations:: PV=nRT

Im confused on working backwards so to speak to find adiabatic work.

To find work for this adiabatic process, I either need to know the change in temperature OR the initial pressure (I think?).

The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.

I know the answer to this problem is -63000 J, just not sure how to get there.
Check very carefully what you are given at final state.
 
Chestermiller said:
Are you familiar with the equation $$PV^{\gamma}=Constant$$
So I use final volume and pressure for this? I treid that and it didnt give the right answer for me.
 
JoeyBob said:
So I use final volume and pressure for this? I treid that and it didnt give the right answer for me.
Show us what you did.
 

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