How to calculate initial pressure and temperature - adiabatic process

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To calculate work in an adiabatic process, knowing either the initial temperature or initial pressure is essential. The discussion highlights confusion about working backwards to find these values, given that the final pressure and temperature are known. The equation PV^γ = Constant is referenced, but the user struggles to apply it correctly due to missing initial conditions. Despite having the final state values, the user is unable to derive the expected work of -63000 J. Clarification on how to utilize the final conditions effectively is needed for accurate calculations.
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Homework Statement
Ratio from specific heats = 5/3

Initial volume = 0.814, final volume = 0.37, final pressure = 276000, final temperature is 297.273 K

Find Work
Relevant Equations
PV=nRT
Im confused on working backwards so to speak to find adiabatic work.

To find work for this adiabatic process, I either need to know the change in temperature OR the initial pressure (I think?).

The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.

I know the answer to this problem is -63000 J, just not sure how to get there.
 
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When you say adiabatic equations, what do mean?
 
Are you familiar with the equation $$PV^{\gamma}=Constant$$
 
JoeyBob said:
The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.
The adiabatic equations you pointed me to don't involve temperature. Can you find the value of ##K##?
 
JoeyBob said:
Homework Statement:: Ratio from specific heats = 5/3

Initial volume = 0.814, final volume = 0.37, final pressure = 276000, final temperature is 297.273 K

Find Work
Relevant Equations:: PV=nRT

Im confused on working backwards so to speak to find adiabatic work.

To find work for this adiabatic process, I either need to know the change in temperature OR the initial pressure (I think?).

The issue is that I don't know either the initial temperature nor the initial pressure so I am not sure how to calculate the work using the adiabatic eqns that require these values.

I know the answer to this problem is -63000 J, just not sure how to get there.
Check very carefully what you are given at final state.
 
Chestermiller said:
Are you familiar with the equation $$PV^{\gamma}=Constant$$
So I use final volume and pressure for this? I treid that and it didnt give the right answer for me.
 
JoeyBob said:
So I use final volume and pressure for this? I treid that and it didnt give the right answer for me.
Show us what you did.
 
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