How To Calculate Position Two Magnets Will Attract And Lock

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical determination of the positions at which two or more spherical magnets will attract and "lock" together, focusing on the angles formed by their poles and the potential geometric arrangements when multiple magnets are involved.

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  • One participant inquires whether classical physics equations exist to predict the positions where two spherical magnets will attract and lock together.
  • Another participant suggests that Maxwell's equations could be applicable to determine the locking positions of the magnets.
  • A participant confirms that the two magnets will align end-to-end, forming a straight line (180 degrees) when they touch, with opposite poles attracting.
  • There is speculation about the arrangement of three or more magnets, with one participant proposing that they might form a triangular arrangement, while questioning the complexity of their interactions.
  • Participants express a need for references or examples to further explore the mathematical treatment of the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the basic principles of magnet attraction and alignment, but there is uncertainty regarding the mathematical modeling of multiple magnets and the complexity of their arrangements. No consensus has been reached on the specific equations or solutions applicable to the problem.

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Participants acknowledge the need for further research into electromagnetic theory and geometry to fully address the problem, indicating that their current understanding may be limited by missing resources or assumptions.

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Hi All,

Do equations (or branch of study) exist for the following problem:

I have two (or more sphere magnets); can it be determined mathematically/classical-physics-equations what positions these two magnets will attract each other in and lock ?

In other words - these two sphere magnets have North/South poles. If I allow these two magnets to freely attract each other and lock - will the angle formed by lines running through their poles be predictable/deterministic ?

Hope this is a no brainer for someone out there...
I'd appreciate any links/urls/key-words that I could use for further self-study on this topic...

Hope to hear from someone...

Cheers
Frank
 
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I am assuming that by 'lock' you mean touch?

if so I would think so, and it would be through applying maxwells equations. though since it has been well over 7 years since the last time i did that type of calculation i will have to look it up.
 
Thanks for your help

Hi...
Thanks very much Josh...

Yes - by locking I mean position they come to rest when touching.

Re: Maxwell's equations...that's exactly the help/direction I was looking for. A link to an example/sample solution discussing this problem would be very helpful - I'd be grateful if you could forwarded me a link/reference.

Now that I think about it - the 2-sphere magnet case will always be a staight line (180degrees) with the two sphere magnets always lining up end-to-end... with point of contact at opposite poles: N/S or S/N ? Right... opposites attract.

But what if 3 or more sphere magnets are involved; can the same equations be used to determine their relationship to each other when the group is allowed to combine... OR again will the solutions be trivial ? either a straight line with poles end to end - or some kind of tendency to form cube forms...or will the relationships be more complex ?

Which I had a box of sphere magnets I could try out ;)

Any thoughts...
Thanks very much...
Cheers
Frank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
 
you know on my cab ride back to the hotel (on a business trip at the moment) I realized the same thing about the two spherical magnets problem. again by geometry I would assume that the three manet would form into some kind of triangular arrangement...

as to equations to determne this i still have yet to look it up...again I need to sit down with an E&M book, which I do nothave with me.
 
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