How to calculate the charge density in an electric field

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of charge density in relation to electric fields, specifically examining the relationship between charge density, electric field, and electrostatic potential. Participants explore the implications of these relationships, particularly in the context of a point charge and the resulting potential and charge density calculations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between charge density, electric field, and potential, noting a discrepancy when calculating charge density from the potential of a point charge.
  • Another participant suggests that the potential should be expressed in spherical coordinates, providing an alternative form of the potential and indicating that the Laplacian of the potential is zero for regions away from the charge.
  • A third participant corrects the form of the potential, emphasizing that it should be proportional to 1/r rather than 1/r^2.
  • A later reply acknowledges the error in the potential equation used by the original poster, indicating a misunderstanding of the correct relationship.

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There is no clear consensus on the correct approach to calculating charge density, as participants present differing views on the appropriate form of the potential and its implications for charge density calculations.

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Limitations include the original poster's potential misunderstanding of the relationship between charge density and potential, as well as the dependence on coordinate systems for expressing the potential. The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions regarding the application of the equations involved.

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I've been studying electric fields in class for some time and one thing is seemingly contradictory and really confuses me.

The charge density ρ is related to the electric field E and the permiativity ε and the potential \Phi by the following equation

ρ/ε=∇\cdotE=-∇2\Phi

if we examine the electric field created by a single point charge of magnitude q located at the origin, then the electrostatic potential can be expressed as follows

\Phi=\frac{q}{4πε(x^2+y^2+z^2)}

now I would expect the charge density in this system to be zero everywhere except the origin but if we take the laplacean of this electric field, instead we get

ρ/ε=-∇2\Phi=\frac{2q}{4πε(x^2+y^2+z^2)^2}

which is clearly non-zero.

is there an explanation for this discrepancy? Have I violated some fundamental assumption?

thanks in advance
 
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Well you didn't really post your work so it's hard to tell where you went wrong. The Coulomb potential is much more elegantly expressed (and easier to work with) in spherical coordinates. ##\varphi = \frac{Q}{4\pi \epsilon_0 }\frac{1}{r}## hence ## \nabla^{2}\varphi = \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\frac{1}{r^{2}}\partial_{r}(r^{2}\partial_{r}\frac{1}{r}) = 0## for ##r \neq 0##.
 
The potential goes like 1/r and not 1/r^2.
Try the correct form of the potential. It works even in Cartesian coordinates even though is more work.
 
thanks

it seems like i was using the wrong equation for electric potential. i had an r2 in the denominator instead of just r
 

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