How to Calculate the Coefficient of Friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the coefficient of friction between a wooden block and a table top, using a pendulum to strike the block. The scenario includes various parameters such as masses, release height, and distances moved, with an emphasis on energy transfers during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy transfers involved, particularly the change in potential energy and its conversion to kinetic energy. There are attempts to clarify the situation and the mechanics of the collision, with questions about the velocities of the pendulum and block before and after the impact.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning each other's results. Some guidance on using conservation of momentum and work-energy principles has been offered, although there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the calculations of forces and accelerations, as well as the assumptions made about energy conservation and friction. There is an acknowledgment of differing results for the coefficient of friction, indicating a need for further exploration of the underlying principles.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the coefficient of friction between the wooden block and the table top, using a pendulum to hit the block.

Mass of pendulum weight = 1 kg
Mass of wooden block (with weight on top) = 2.073 kg
Release height of pendulum = .06 m
Pendulum's distance from starting point when released = .34 m
Distance block moves = .036 m


Homework Equations



Ff=μFN
ΔPE=mgΔh ?


The Attempt at a Solution



I have absolutely no idea where to start. My teacher said it involves a lot of energy transfers, so I calculated the change in potential energy to be 58.86 J, but I'm not even sure if that's right. If you could just explain it to me or point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
 
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So the situation is a pendulum is being released, it strikes the box, and then the box slides a little bit. You have to use the data to find μ?

I'm just clarifying, no scenario explanation was posted but that's what I infer from everything.
 
Yeah, that's the situation. Sorry for not explaining.
 
It's fine, I just wanted to make sure.

So you said that the change in potential energy is 58.86J, where is that energy now?
 
It transferred to the block.
 
I'm more interested in the moment right before the pendulum and the block collide. (Collisions generally tend to lose energy)
 
It turned into kinetic energy?
 
Right, so how fast is the pendulum going before it hits the block?
 
2.58 m/s ?
 
  • #10
I got 1.08. I think your change in PE is wrong.
 
  • #11
Probably. How did you get that?
 
  • #12
Ok, I got that and I got .523 m/s for the velocity of the block after it's hit, but I don't know what to do after that.
 
  • #13
\Delta PE = \Delta KE
mgh = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}
v = \sqrt{2gh}

g = 9.8, h = 0.06
 
  • #14
ewarsaw said:
Ok, I got that and I got .523 m/s for the velocity of the block after it's hit, but I don't know what to do after that.

How did you get to that?
 
  • #15
I used conservation of momentum.

m1v1=m2v2
1 kg(1.08 m/s)=2.073 kg(v)
v=.523 m/s
 
  • #16
Okay, looks good to me :smile:
 
  • #17
I think I got the answer, but I'm not sure if it's right. I found the force applied to the box, the force of the block on the table, and the acceleration of the block.

FN=FA-μ(mg)
FN=ma

FA-μ(mg)=ma
9.81 N-μ(9.81 m/s2)(2.073 kg)=2.073 kg(3.799 m/s2)
μ=.095

Do you think that's right?
 
  • #18
I got a μ of 0.388.

From your work, I'm not sure where the 9.81 comes from (gravity times a mass of 1 kilogram?). And I'm assuming that 3.799 is the calculated acceleration from the block coming to a stop over a known distance.
 
  • #19
Yeah. How did you get that? I'm so confused.
 
  • #20
I used work-energy principals.

You know the initial kinetic energy of the block, and it gets dissipated by friction, so you can write an equivalency statement from that to find μ.
 

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