How to calculate the pressure in a sealed vessel with water.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure in a sealed vessel containing water when heated, particularly in the context of pretreating biomass. Participants explore the relationship between temperature, volume, and pressure in a sealed environment.

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  • One participant seeks an equation to determine the resultant pressure from heating water in a sealed metal container, questioning the relevance of the gas volume in the calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using steam tables to find the pressure without needing calculations.
  • A different participant argues that pressure is influenced by both temperature and the volume of the container, proposing that increasing the container size would decrease the pressure if the amount of water remains constant.
  • In response, another participant clarifies that steam has a specific vapor pressure at a given temperature, and that pressure will reach equilibrium between water and saturated steam, regardless of the container size, as long as not all water boils.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how pressure is affected by the volume of water and the size of the container. There is no consensus on the correct approach to calculating pressure in this scenario.

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Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the behavior of water and steam in relation to pressure and volume, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion.

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Hi,


I cannot find any equation to help determine the resultant pressure from heating water in a sealed metal container, all I find is PV-nRt which is only gas - We are heating doing this in part to pretreat biomass. sealed tube: vol =170cc containing 80ml.s water: tube heated to 180C. I need to find appropriate relief valve.

How do I determine pressure?

Please show calculations

I assume it does not matter how much water is in the tube, the "gas" part of the tube has no influence on the specific pressure generated by heat/water (?)



Thanks so much!

M
 
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There is no calculation to do here: just look it up on a steam table.
 
I was thinking the pressure has to do with temp and the vol of the cylinder -

If I heat up to 150C, a 200cc sealed container containing 100 MLs water, the pressure would be different if I heat up to 150C, 100 mls. of water in a 500 cc container... is this not correct? - if I continue to increase the size of the container, will not the pressure decrease?

but actually in my case, not all the water has converted to steam -
 
No, it is not correct. Steam has a certain vapor pressure at a given temperature, so a volume of water will boil until that pressure is reached.

As long as that pressure is greater than that provided by the air and not all the water boils, it will reach an equilibrium between water and saturated steam.

What you describe is not fundamentaly different from the operation of a steam heating system.
 
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