How Can I Create Water Pressure in a Vessel Without a Standard Pump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to create water pressure in a vessel without using a standard manual pump. Participants explore various ideas and mechanisms, focusing on theoretical and practical approaches to achieve the desired pressure for spraying water from a container.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a syringe-spring system but notes potential issues with rusting springs.
  • Another proposes using a piston with a one-way valve to force water into a chamber.
  • Several participants inquire about the size and shape of the container and whether it contains only water or gas.
  • A suggestion is made to create pressure by adding more water above the 1-liter volume in a tall container, but this is later dismissed due to a maximum size constraint of 2 liters.
  • One participant mentions the concept of positive displacement pumps for achieving a constant flow rate.
  • Another proposes using cold water sealed in the container to allow it to warm up and create pressure.
  • One idea involves using water to inflate a balloon or two nested balloons to increase pressure.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about achieving significant flow from a container filled only with water, suggesting the introduction of gas or a compressible object to facilitate pressure.
  • Alternative solutions include using non-rusting plastic springs or syringes without springs, and a preference for gear pumps for high pressure and low flow applications is mentioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of ideas and methods, with no consensus reached on a single effective solution. Disagreement exists regarding the feasibility of pressurizing water without introducing gas or using a pump.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the maximum container size of 2 liters and the challenge of creating pressure with only water present. The discussion reflects various assumptions about the mechanisms and conditions required for generating water pressure.

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Hi there all physics geniuses. I come looking for help. I need to create water pressure in a vessel in the easiest possible way. And not by using a standard manual pump to pump in air.

I've come up with a syringe-spring type system but it's flawed as the spring will rust...

Also I've thought of forcing water into a chamber through a one way valve using a piston similar to that of a syringe.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks!
 
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How big is this thing, and what is its shape? Is there only water in it, or is there gas too?
 
Chestermiller said:
How big is this thing, and what is its shape? Is there only water in it, or is there gas too?

It's only water, and I need to be able to pressurize a litre of water so that it will spray out of the container rather than just flow out. The container could be any size and shape...
 
Ac77777 said:
... The container could be any size and shape...

Put a lot more water on top of that 1 liter in a very tall container. The weight of the column of water will create pressure at the bottom. You'll get about 1 Kpa per decimeter of water column height.
 
mrspeedybob said:
Put a lot more water on top of that 1 liter in a very tall container. The weight of the column of water will create pressure at the bottom. You'll get about 1 Kpa per decimeter of water column height.

I forgot to mention, I need the maximum size of the container to be 2 litres, so that won't work for me, but thanks for the reply!
 
It sounds like you would like to have a very constant flow rate. If so, then Google Positive Displacement Pumps.

Chet
 
How much of the 1L must spray out? Could you just fill it with very cold water, seal it, and allow it to warm up?
 
Use the water to inflate a balloon? Perhaps two balloons one inside the other to increase pressure?
 
Ac77777 said:
It's only water, and I need to be able to pressurize a litre of water so that it will spray out of the container rather than just flow out.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do here. If you have only water in the container, you'll never be able to compress it enough to make a significant amount flow out when released. It's almost like saying you want to compress a steel bar so that when released it will expand to double the length.
IMO the only way you will achieve what you say you want, is either to introduce some gas into the container, maybe by not filling the container with water, maybe by dissolving the gas in the water, or by introducing some compressible object such as a balloon, or making the container variable in size.
If you are introducing compressed gas into the container, why would you say both, you want the simplest way and you don't want to use a pump, which is probably the easiest way?

If you don't need to pressurise the container and intend to force the water out using a syringe or similar, perhaps you don't need to give up on that idea yet. I have some plastic springs (I have no idea what material) which I don't think would ever rust. I also have syringes which don't have any sort of spring, so would also not have a problem with rust.
My own favourite pump for high pressure low flow, is the gear pump, which has a very controllable flow.
 

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