How to Calculate Windings for a 1 T Solenoid Electromagnet with Iron Core

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The discussion centers on calculating the number of windings required for a solenoid electromagnet designed to achieve a magnetic field strength of approximately 1 Tesla, with considerations for an iron core and pulsed operation. Participants explore various formulas and factors influencing the calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that achieving a 1 Tesla field in continuous operation is challenging and depends on factors like the measurement location and core material.
  • Another participant suggests that the required number of windings depends on the desired current and the specific location of the magnetic field within the solenoid.
  • It is mentioned that current MRI machines operate at fields between 0.2 and 3 Teslas, utilizing superconducting electromagnets, implying that a standard iron-core solenoid may struggle to reach 1 Tesla.
  • A participant expresses a preference for a magnetic field strength closer to 0.46 Tesla and discusses the use of different formulas, including the Biot-Savart law and equations incorporating the iron core's susceptibility.
  • Concerns are raised about the high number of windings calculated (around 10,000) when accounting for the iron core, leading to questions about which formula to use for accurate results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculate the number of windings, with multiple competing formulas and methods discussed, and uncertainty about the implications of using an iron core.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions about core material properties, the location of the magnetic field measurement, and the operational conditions (continuous vs. pulsed). The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the formulas and their applicability.

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How do i calculate the amound of windings I need to make an solonoid electro magnet with around 1 T..

I checked with google, and there seesm to be a lot of different formulaes which confusses me a lot..
 
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One Tesla is a significant magnetic field for an electromagnet in continuous operation, so unless you're talking about pulsed operation, you're not going to like the answer. The exact answer will vary depending on where you measure the field, what metal/alloy your core is made of, and so forth, but it's somewhat beyond what one can achieve with a homemade electromagnet. If you can give some additional detail, I can provide you the relevant equation.
 
Current MRI machines operate between 0.2 and 3 teslas. A standard strength MRI with a 1.5 T field costs between US$1.0 million and US$1.5 million. In order to produce this field strength, the MRI machines use cryogenically cooled superconducting electromagnets. Good Luck with a plain old iron-core solenoid!
 
Well 1T Where maybe a bit extreme.. its more like 0,46T, and i want it at the side, or int he bottom, and yes it has to be pulsed..

I've been using different formulaes, but no one seesm to take the iron core with in their calculation, which results in different number of winding.. I am only using 1Amp.

First one is using Biot savart formula.

B(z) = [itex]\frac{µ0}{2pi}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{µ}{z^3}[/itex]

Where µ here is the dipole moment.. µ= N*i*ASecond one
B=µ0(1+xm)H

Where xm =5*10^3 is the ironcores suscebility, and H is the magnetic intensity which is the
H=M/5*10^3
M=N*I*A/Vol
A=0,01*0,01
Vol=0,01^2*0,03

Here is the iron core taken into acount, but my winding number is too high.. around 10000..

So which one should i Use..
 

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